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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 4/3/26 at 7:10 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 7:10 am to
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So, even though these map reports are encouraging to those of us who support Ukraine, they aren't as discouraging to Russians as we might think.


I find it encouraging that Ukraine’s counterattacks have offset recent Russian gains also, but you are correct to point out there have been Russian gains.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 7:41 am to
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Yes, but reality is a bit more complicated. Ukraine has retaken a lot of ground in the South that Russia had recently claimed, but Russia is still making progress on other fronts — including Donetsk (which is what they care about the most).


Yes, I think the article should have stated that 'Vladimir Putin’s army recorded no net territorial gain on the front line'.

The point of the article is that Russian gains have now decreased to a level less than Ukrainian gains. They are now and have been for quite some time unable to mount any offensive past taking a few houses in some village. This is the definition of stagnation and for an invading power it is another factor showing that they are losing this war.

Add to that the fact that Russian losses have exceeded recruitment numbers for the last four months and we see a pattern. A very discouraging pattern for the Russians.
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:31 am to
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I think we should bring Europe to heel in some ways, but we can do that without leaving NATO.


Trump has already gotten them to boost their defense spending which was sorely needed. He also got them to ramp up support to Ukraine.

So I was thinking Trump had already gotten Europe to bend the knee.

Now we have Iran. Apparently Trump went to war thinking NATO would follow and didn’t realize he needed to sell them on the mission. Let’s see if Trump fixes this fast.



We should not "bring Europe to heel." That's shithead thinking... they're our allies, not royal subjects.

But Trump has accomplished the opposite. He's made them defiant to us for the firstt time since the end of WWII (France excepted). They will increase their defense spending, and try to reduce their dependence on the US in the process and grow their own defense industries... and then Rubio had to go address them and tell them they still have to buy US arms.

Trump's vision of a "multipolar world" seemed to envision his man-crush Putin looming over Europe. It's looking more like the EU will loom over, if not outright control Russia in the future. The the Right will be shitting its pants that there's a "Superpower that's becoming Muslim" or whatever...
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 11:29 am to
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We should not "bring Europe to heel." That's shithead thinking... they're our allies, not royal subjects.


If we didnt cajole them into boosting their defense spending and stepping up to helping Ukraine in a big way; what do you think would happen?

Something had to be done, NATO was becoming a big welfare alliance with the US doing all the heavy lifting.

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But Trump has accomplished the opposite. He's made them defiant to us for the firstt time since the end of WWII (France excepted). They will increase their defense spending, and try to reduce their dependence on the US in the process and grow their own defense industries... and then Rubio had to go address them and tell them they still have to buy US arms.


All that is good.

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Trump's vision of a "multipolar world" seemed to envision his man-crush Putin looming over Europe. It's looking more like the EU will loom over, if not outright control Russia in the future. The the Right will be shitting its pants that there's a "Superpower that's becoming Muslim" or whatever...


That’s your opinion. I don’t agree with everything Trump is doing, but I don’t believe Europe can work together without the US.


Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 11:37 am to
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It appears last month wasn't a great one for the Kremlin:

March From Hell: Ukraine Hits 10 Refineries, 12 Air Defense Systems, 5 Factories and Halts Chip Supply for 6 Months



I'm sure Putin's old KGB strategy guide book calls for striking a bunch of apartment buildings in response.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 12:40 pm to
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We should not "bring Europe to heel." That's shithead thinking... they're our allies, not royal subjects.

But Trump has accomplished the opposite. He's made them defiant to us for the firstt time since the end of WWII (France excepted). They will increase their defense spending, and try to reduce their dependence on the US in the process and grow their own defense industries... and then Rubio had to go address them and tell them they still have to buy US arms.

Trump's vision of a "multipolar world" seemed to envision his man-crush Putin looming over Europe. It's looking more like the EU will loom over, if not outright control Russia in the future. The the Right will be shitting its pants that there's a "Superpower that's becoming Muslim" or whatever...


Thank GOD, somebody finally gets what's going on.

It's clear to me, especially when you look at Trump's BS 'Board of Peace' that Trump envisions a multi-polar world with him, his family, Russia, and possibly China and North Korea acting as an axis with the rest of the world left out of the loop and those

My guess is that he was sold those magic beans by Putin and got Putin's help in winning the election and stacking the cabinet with pro-Russian sellouts like Gabbard. He got help in winning the election and he, in turn, has helped Russia against Ukraine and is planning on leaving Europe on their own against Putin and his cronies.

Only there's a couple of problems with this dumbass plan, and it begins with the fact that Russia isn't nearly as strong or as competent as Trump has been led to believe. Then you have the Ukrainians, who apparently hasn't learned that they were just supposed to shut up and die, to get shot in masse and let the Russians take over their country.

Then there's Europe, where people mistake dormancy for weakness. The EU is about 500M people, with an economy 12x the size of Russia's, and is slowly but surely starting to catch to American military strength, at least in terms of technology and production capacity. With Ukraine becoming the leading drone creator, producer, and manufacturer and Britain and Germany hopping on board with them the US is already starting to fall behind.

Which leads us to an even larger point:

NATO doesn't need the US

Yes, it would be very nice if the US managed to pull it's head out of it's fourth-point-of-contact, but it's not necessary for NATO to survive. And this is also standing in the way of Trump and Putin's vision.

So right now we have the absolute worst possible scenario one could imagine, and yet at the same time I see no real way they can pull it off.
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 1:00 pm to
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If we didnt cajole them into boosting their defense spending and stepping up to helping Ukraine in a big way; what do you think would happen?


The exact thing that's happening in Poland, France, the Baltic States and others right now, that they would immediately start rebuilding when the threat became obvious. The Europeans are behind, or perhaps dormant, not stupid.

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But Trump has accomplished the opposite. He's made them defiant to us for the firstt time since the end of WWII (France excepted). They will increase their defense spending, and try to reduce their dependence on the US in the process and grow their own defense industries... and then Rubio had to go address them and tell them they still have to buy US arms.


All that is good.


NOT FOR THE UNITED STATES

People aren't getting it. There is a world power structure that serves OUR needs, and secondarily the Europeans. They are - or were - very much the little brother in that relationship. Yes, we pay out to keep their miitaries up to a standard, but that served our needs. WE are the sugar daddies in that relationship, and the Europeans had grown fat and happy getting f'd and having tjhe money left on the nightstand when we decided to leave. The result?

Things like the US Dollar being the de-facto world currency, the fact that NOBODY could threaten to invade us, that fact that they pay to come to our universities and look to our legal, ethical, and cultural standards as their way forward that granted us almost unlimited soft power.

Trump and his way of thinking is threatening all of this over nothing. We don't need Greenland because the defense of it has been leased out. We don't have to worry too much over Iranians because we have the Israelis there to keep watch, and so much more. Hell, Russia can't get through the Ukrainians to threaten us, even though PUTIN IS DYING TO DO IT. The system has worked so well and for so long people just take it for granted.

And yet, ya'lls only resonse is to say



and think you're saying something profound.

The hard reality is that we are backing the LOSERS right now and that will have serious ramifications in the future. We aren't getting ready for the Chinese, we're being distracted with stupid wars with small, weak countries that is showing that even Iran can hurt us economically, something everybody but Trump seemed to know.

Everything Trump is doing is threating American hegemony and that's going to cost all of us, and a significant part of it is even being done just to distract from the fact that he wanted to sleep with underage kids (I'm not convinced it's just girls).

And if any of y'all think that Europe can't survive without the US, then you need to start actually reading a history book, because it's clear that some of you haven’t.

This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 1:21 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 1:26 pm to
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And if any of y'all think that Europe can't survive without the US, then you need to start actually reading a history book, because it's clear that some of you haven’t.


If you call having major wars every few decades surviving then you are correct.

Let me ask you this, if it weren’t for the US what would Europe have looked like in 1950?
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 1:51 pm to
I call it Europe taking the whole goddamn world, that’s what I call it.

And it ain’t 1950 anymore, my man. Whatever role th US played in almost a century ago no longer applies and the biggest proponent of that idea is Donald Trump and JD Vance. Historian Sarah Paine, who is awesome and I highly recommend her, has made the point that Europe is in a position to reclaim its dominance with the way we are behaving, and I believe her.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 2:46 pm to
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And it ain’t 1950 anymore, my man


Didn’t you say we need to go read a history book?

There’s no doubt in my mind that without the US the Europe we see today would be very different.

I believe you need to go read some history yourself.

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Historian Sarah Paine, who is awesome and I highly recommend her, has made the point that Europe is in a position to reclaim its dominance with the way we are behaving, and I believe her.


Europe as an entity never dominated anything. Great Britain dominated at one time as did Spain and France. Germany was a kind of a flash in the pan, but they dominated for a short while.

The truth is European nations all didn’t get along and they fought each other on a regular basis.

The EU is relatively new. It’s not a defense pact. It’s an economic pact. Pull the US out of NATO and I predict in twenty five years Europe would return to its “roots”.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 3:56 pm to
I don't have a problem with Europeans as a race/ethnic group.

European governments have been freeloading on the US for decades all while sticking the green weenie to us is restrictive trade keeping US goods out of Europe with tariffs and regs targeting only US products.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 4:12 pm to
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European governments have been freeloading on the US for decades all while sticking the green weenie to us is restrictive trade keeping US goods out of Europe with tariffs and regs targeting only US products.


Yep, agree 100%.

They need to act like we are their allies and they are ours (and we need to be better about that ourselves in some ways). Either that, or we can start playing the boss. And if they don't like that, see ya.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 6:22 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 4:22 pm to
The US has long had a special investment program only for companies from Europe to invest in the US. It is run by the Senate majority leader. This was to help them increase GDP to increase military spending
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 4:32 pm to
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Sarah Paine,


She gets a lot of things completely wrong
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 4:34 pm to
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Ukrainians are making some extraordinary claims about Russian casualties in March. They feel their strategy of using drones to fight Russian soldiers has been vindicated.

Zelensky saying at the same time that almost 34000 of the total Russian casualties of 35300 were caused by Ukrainian drone forces.

One of the greatest decisions the Ukrainians made was in not listening to the western analytic community which was saying that they needed to concentrate on drafting more soldiers and send them to the front.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:20 pm to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:42 am to
Not crazy about other regions getting involved and Libyians possibly getting sea drone tech, but this has certainly been effective in closing the Med to the Shadow Fleet. Sailing around the Cape of Good Hope is a major cost addition.


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And yes, this Russian LNG carrier is still out there floating.


Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 12:45 am to
What, no MARPOL? This shows us the quality of these shadow fleet crews. As if they needed to attract more attention to themselves.


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Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 5:40 am to
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Ukrainians are making some extraordinary claims


They seem to do that a lot
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