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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/5/26 at 12:31 pm to
I guess Ukraine “holds some cards,” eh?

I've watched a few geopolitical people talking about the enormous screw up here by Trump of cutting off military coordination with Ukraine (weapons, strategic help and intel) because he prefers Putin...

Then launching a war on Iran... who sit on a motherload of Shahed drones, which can't reach the US or Europe, take so long to reach Israel that they might as well be a flock of geese... but says "I'm surprised Iran is attacking the other countries right next to it in the region." REALLY!?! Do you know anything about the region? And those Shahed drones, while slow, are so much cheaper than the Patriot systems that are the only line of defense against them that Iran long ago calculated that they could waste waves and waves and waves of them over weeks until the Patriot systems ran out of missiles, then use their more advanced missiles to target oil infrastructure in those countries. Anybody with a clue would figure this out... Trump and his cabinet seemed to not have any idea about this...

So now Trump has to tuck his tail between his legs and go to Ukraine and ask for their anti-Shahed weapons. Or the Gulf States can go straight to Zelensky and set up a more stable relationship that won't be in jeapordy the next time Putin casts whatever spell he has over Trump and causes an about face.
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 12:51 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/5/26 at 1:09 pm to
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Honestly this speaks more to Russian shortcomings than their battlefield performance. Israel has managed to embed spies in Iran. Russia, in many ways the OG of international espionage, hasn’t been able to kill zelensky despite being in at least the second decade of a plot to absorb Ukraine.



Ukraine's military and intelligence agencies have their roots in the same Soviet forebearers as Russia... only they've been retooled and trained by the West and NATO and the CIA. Which means it has people who were once trained to think the same way the Russians do, then trained to think better... they know the enemy's impulses and methods and their laziness and weaknesses..
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 1:16 pm to
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Here we go. I guess shutting down Telegram wasn't just an unrelated incident after all.



A Russian expat:

"The end of Russia will come in one of two ways: Millions of Russians dying in a last stand attack on Europe that fails, or Putin dying at the hands of millions of Russians. Which do you think Putin prefers? Hmmm... I wonder?"
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/5/26 at 1:31 pm to
Volodymyr Zelenskyy /
@ZelenskyyUa
We received a request from the United States for specific support in protection against "shaheds" in the Middle East region. I gave instructions to provide the necessary means and ensure the presence of Ukrainian specialists who can guarantee the required security. Ukraine helps partners who help ensure our security and protect the lives of our people. Glory to Ukraine!

11:35 AM · Mar 5, 2026
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This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 1:32 pm
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4325 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:19 pm to
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Russia, in many ways the OG of international espionage, hasn’t been able to kill zelensky despite being in at least the second decade of a plot to absorb Ukraine.

Much of the success the Western intelligence agencies have had in regards to Russia is due to the infighting between different Russian intelligence services and also within each branch. The war against the Ukrainians has always - always - taken a back seat to the war between the FSB, GUR, the Foreign Intelligence Service, the Federal Protection Service, the Federal Special Programs, etc. etc. Then there's the Regional Security Services, the Chechens, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Border Guard Service, National Guard and Military Police. I'm sure there are more.

All of these guys have two jobs - protecting their turf and protecting the realm. In that order. If they hear about an operation run by a competing office or branch, phone calls are made. The proof of the existance of the GUR kills teams in Kyiv four years ago was what finally convinced Zelensky that the Russians were actually coming. And that proof came from Moscow. Those are the kind of priorities that make the CIA's job easier...
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They have tried, but the CIA and Mossad trained Ukraine's intelligence agencies to be complete badasses in the years after the Crimea invasion.

I've never read anything about Israeli intelligence training in Ukraine. Mossad doesn't do anything unless it directly benefits Mossad. And the idea that the CIA would work alongside them is not realistic.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2867 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:23 pm to
If the US (and Israeli) govt failed to tap Ukraine's expertise in drone warfare in the lead-up to the Iran attack, that is very stupid.

The DoD, IDF, NATO etc should have been continuously learning over the last 3 years on drone warfare and been able to apply it here.

Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2298 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:27 pm to
Don’t you hear? We’re building new battleships!!

It’s not 2026, it’s 1826 baby!!!
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26469 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 4:32 pm to
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Zelensky added that Ukraine is prepared to share its expertise with countries facing Iranian attacks to help protect civilians and oil infrastructure in the Middle East.


As noted, Ukraine's model of a cottage industry that produces drones by the thousands every week is ideal for Iran. Drones allow the operator to stay hidden often miles away, provides a direct visual of the target and strikes with precision. They are very hard to shoot down with a rifle. This would keep the Iranian goons off of the street and hunt them where they hide.

Most computer gamers would take to drones like ducks to water.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5895 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:01 pm to
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It’s refreshing to see this administration focus on important things like Iran and not Ukraine. I’m so so happy the funds to Ukraine have mostly dried up.


You do have to feel for the pro-Putin and/or anti-Ukraine Aide wing of MAGA. Everything they’ve stood on to support their position these last 4 years just got torpedoed.

Now those people who think we should pull back from it all . . . at least that’s an ethos.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 5:31 pm to
US joins Russia in opposing condemnation of attacks on Ukraine's energy sector for the first time

Artur Kryzhnyi — 5 March, 20:23

The United States has joined Russia, China and Niger in opposing a resolution adopted by the board of governors of the UN nuclear regulator condemning attacks on Ukraine's energy infrastructure as a threat to nuclear safety.

Source: Reuters

Details: The resolution adopted by the IAEA Board of Governors on Thursday has been the seventh on Ukraine since Russia invaded the neighbouring country four years ago. This is the first time the United States has voted against such a resolution.

"While we continue supporting the IAEA's work in-country, ?we do not support the Board's current consideration of an unnecessary resolution that does not ?help achieve peace between Ukraine and Russia," the US statement to the board before the vote says.

US President Donald Trump has been pressuring Ukraine over the past year to quickly reach a peace deal that could include handing territory to Russia. Ukraine has rejected the possibility of territorial concessions.

Diplomats said the resolution was backed by 20 countries in a closed session, including France, the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, South Africa and Argentina, with 10 countries abstaining and four voting against. Those abstaining included Brazil, Egypt, Morocco and Saudi Arabia.

The wording of the document was less harsh than in previous resolutions.

The text seen by Reuters says the board "reemphasises that attacks ?targeting Ukraine's energy infrastructure ?for the off-site power ?supply of nuclear power plants, including at the ZNPP (Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant), represent a direct threat to nuclear safety and security".

Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:06 pm to
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quote:
They have tried, but the CIA and Mossad trained Ukraine's intelligence agencies to be complete badasses in the years after the Crimea invasion.

I've never read anything about Israeli intelligence training in Ukraine. Mossad doesn't do anything unless it directly benefits Mossad. And the idea that the CIA would work alongside them is not realistic.


Possibly an apocryphal report in an article...

But... you don't think the CIA and Mossad collaborate?
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:22 pm to
quote:

If the US (and Israeli) govt failed to tap Ukraine's expertise in drone warfare in the lead-up to the Iran attack, that is very stupid.

The DoD, IDF, NATO etc should have been continuously learning over the last 3 years on drone warfare and been able to apply it here.



I think "NATO (excluding the U.S. at present)" and Israel probably have been learning from this, and investing in Ukrainian things to combat the Shaheds. The Baltic States, Finland and Sweden, Poland... if I was in any of those places I'd want a cheaper solution to incoming Shaheds in place before I needed them. Even Israel... I watched a vid of the Iron Dome being overwhelmed by drones and missiles the other days and a missile getting through and flying right over the heads of whoever was filming it with their phone. Shaheds are cheap and plentiful; they need something cheaper and more plentiful to deal with them.

If they haven't thought about them being the weapon of choice of Iran and Russia, and used in mass attacks, by now... well, they better catch up.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2867 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 6:28 pm to
You are consistent in your analysis....
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 7:21 pm to
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I think "NATO (excluding the U.S. at present)" and Israel probably have been learning from this, and investing in Ukrainian things to combat the Shaheds. The Baltic States, Finland and Sweden, Poland... if I was in any of those places I'd want a cheaper solution to incoming Shaheds in place before I needed them. Even Israel... I watched a vid of the Iron Dome being overwhelmed by drones and missiles the other days and a missile getting through and flying right over the heads of whoever was filming it with their phone. Shaheds are cheap and plentiful; they need something cheaper and more plentiful to deal with them.


Ukraine has been giving reports to NATO member attendees almost weekly in Poland. How the heck do you think th US got ahold of the shaheed to copy and improve upon?
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2298 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 7:52 pm to
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Ukraine has been giving reports to NATO member attendees almost weekly in Poland. How the heck do you think th US got ahold of the shaheed to copy and improve upon?


Getting ahold of a shaheed was never going to be difficult - with the number that is currently being produced all it would take is for one halfway complete drone to either get captured in Ukraine and turned over to us or for one corrupt Iranian, Russian, Ukrainian, possibly Polish, etc. official to give us one. It's always only been a matter of time.

The issue is the focus. Our current administration isn't focused on updating our military - it's focused on building battleships, screaming about fitness standards, etc. We will have no problems copying and improving upon any drone in the world, but we have to give a sh!t about it to begin with.
This post was edited on 3/5/26 at 7:53 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 3/5/26 at 10:28 pm to
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We will have no problems copying and improving upon any drone in the world, but we have to give a sh!t about it to begin with.


The irony is that the original Shahed drones were reverse-engineered RQ-170 Sentinels that Iran stole from the US, I believe.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4325 posts
Posted on 3/6/26 at 1:37 am to
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But... you don't think the CIA and Mossad collaborate?

No, not at all. Mossad doesn't cooperate with anyone and (unofficially) the CIA barely tolerates them. Washington has has a lot of bad experiences with Israeli intelligence agencies, especially Mossad.

The CIA's biggest fear is stepping across the line of US law and then getting caught and hit with a Congressional hearing with subpoena power. Ever heard of Mossad being investigated by the Knesset? They are accountable to no one and consequently live across that line 24/7.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4325 posts
Posted on 3/6/26 at 1:58 am to
Bank robbery and kidnapping by Hungarian authorities. The true nature of Orban's party is revealed by the pressure of the coming elections. The rats will soon be bolting with whatever they can carry. But not to Russia or the UAE

From the Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs -

quote:

Today in Budapest, Hungarian authorities took seven Ukrainian citizens hostage. The reasons are still unknown, as well as their current well-being, or the possibility of contacting them.

These seven Ukrainians are employees of state-owned Oschadbank, who were operating two bank cars transiting between Austria and Ukraine and carrying cash as part of regular services between state banks.

In fact, we are talking about Hungary taking hostages and stealing money. If this is the “force” announced earlier today by Mr Orban, then this is a force of a criminal gang. This is state terrorism and racketeering.

We have already sent an official note demanding an immediate release of our citizens.

We will also address the European Union with the request to provide a clear qualification of Hungary’s unlawful actions, hostage-taking, and robbery.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4325 posts
Posted on 3/6/26 at 2:08 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4325 posts
Posted on 3/6/26 at 2:42 am to
The Daily Threat. So predictable, so tiresome.
Orban needs to be careful, his electorate is the rural poor, a group that is less effected by energy supply problems than the urban population. According to the polling, the rural demographic was not happy with the earlier anti-EU rhetoric and although not friendly towards Ukraine, they definitely aren't going to like the idea of 'forcing' Kyiv to do anything. And the Hungarian army, which Orban may need in a couple of weeks, definitely doesn't want any part of crossing that border.

The Budapest Bufo has to base his campaign on manufacured hate because he has nothing positive to show the voters after 16 years of his kleptocracy.

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