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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by Pendulum
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:03 pm to
The walls of rambling text that Trump puts out are embarrassing for sure.


However, to be fair, not as embarrassing as all forms of communication from our last president.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:05 pm to
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However, to be fair, not as embarrassing as all forms of communication from our last president.


Boom
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:40 pm to
"We're developing new technologies so interceptors work in any conditions. Including using AI for interceptors."

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Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:40 pm to
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Per a call I'm on with a security org that deals mostly with governmental agencies


Posted by cypher
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:40 pm to
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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:40 pm to
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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:40 pm to
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Posted by Leopold
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:59 pm to
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Biden gave "super high end" weapons to Ukaine?


and he didn't replace it! Luckily Trump replaced all that in his first term, before Biden was in office to give it away, if I read what he wrote correctly...


Jesus, it never ends...

Boys, Biden and the US military gave the Ukrainians a military version of a Salvation Army donation. Outside of the Patriot missile systems, which were given because needed to know if they worked against modern Russian airframes, we gave them things going back before the Vietnam era.

If anyone - anybody - can show anything showing a state or the art system being donated to the Ukraine under anybody over the last four years, I'd laugh. If so, it's probably being donated as an experiment as well.

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 8:32 pm to
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we gave them things going back before the Vietnam era.



Switchblade Drones: 2011
M777 Howitzer: 2005
Stryker Combat Vehicle: 2002
HIMARS (M142): 2002
Phoenix Ghost Drone: 2022 (Developed specifically for Ukraine)
NASAMS (Air Defense): 1998 (Continuous updates through 2020s)
Javelin Missile: 1996
M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle: 1981
M1 Abrams Tank: 1980 (M1A1 variant sent to Ukraine entered production in 1985)
Patriot Missile System: 1981 (PAC-3 interceptors used in Ukraine are from 2001)
HMMWV (Humvee): 1983
ATACMS Missiles: 1991
Posted by Leopold
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:25 pm to
Hey, you did some research!!! Way to go!

Now, outside of two exceptions and both of which can be explained by seeing if they work against Russian air frames and defenses, which of these weapons was 'state of the art?' (Of course, you failed to mention the M113 or Zuni missles, which date back to Vietnam and before.)


Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13433 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:53 pm to
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If anyone - anybody - can show anything showing a state or the art system being donated to the Ukraine under anybody over the last four years

Starlink--Elon Musk--He donated it's use anyway.
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 9:57 pm to
Then somebody needs to tell Poland that, 'cause they say they're paying for it:

Poland's Deputy PM says Poland is paying for Ukraine's Starlink

And that's not my business anyway because it's not my tax dollars.
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Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13433 posts
Posted on 3/3/26 at 10:26 pm to
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Then somebody needs to tell Poland that, 'cause they say they're paying for it:

They were not at the beginning...I thought everyone knew that.

But yes someone is paying for it now. Elon "gave" it to them at a time when it was very much needed.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:27 am to
When discussing the world's best military, 'Friendly Fire' has to be included in that conversation.


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Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 3/4/26 at 12:56 am to
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Hey, you did some research!!! Way to go!


Maybe you should try it sometime

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, outside of two exceptions and both of which can be explained by seeing if they work against Russian air frames and defenses


"Besides these exceptions I'm excluding for reasons I made up...."

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Of course, you failed to mention the M113 or Zuni missles, which date back to Vietnam and before.)


Because I was listing things that went into production after that era
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4589 posts
Posted on 3/4/26 at 1:04 am to
All crew rescued but hull is still burning. This will be a total loss.

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At the time of the suspected (naval) drone attack, the ARCTIC METAGAZ was fully loaded near Murmansk with about 4 tanks of LNG, per @Kpler data. That's probably about $50 to $60 million worth in Russian gas.
Russian flagged vessel, built in 2003. Customer reported to be China.
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Here's more background on the LNG's origin. Came from Russia's Arctic LNG 2 project, with ARCTIC METAGAZ receiving the cargo from CHRISTOPHE DE MARGERIE (9737187) via the Saam floating storage unit in between them.

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Photos above were taken about 80 nautical miles from the ship. Tweeted photo below was taken 150 nautical miles away — the vessel's distance from Malta at the time.






Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4589 posts
Posted on 3/4/26 at 1:09 am to
I wonder if there would be a market for these outside of Ukraine...?

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Just out of curiosity, let’s roughly estimate the cost of intercepting 1,500 Shahed type drones using interceptor drones.

For this example, we’ll take the currently most widespread interceptor drone in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces - the STING, developed by Wild Hornets @wilendhornets .

Its price varies depending on configuration (mainly the camera), ranging from $1,170 to $2,000, according to publicly available information.

Let’s calculate using the upper price range, $2,000 per unit, the direct cost of intercepting 1,500 drones would be:$2,000 × 1,500 = $3,000,000.

The manufacturer states that the drone’s effectiveness is around 90%, depending on crew training, experience, weather conditions etc. If we factor in a 90% success rate (meaning additional launches to achieve 1,500 successful interceptions), the total would roughly increase by about $300,000, bringing the estimate to around $3.3 million in direct costs.

For comparison, a single PAC-3 interceptor missile for Patriot can cost approximately $4 million.


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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 3/4/26 at 7:16 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4589 posts
Posted on 3/4/26 at 9:57 am to
Light damage but there is nowhere for these ships to go to escape further drone attacks. At this point they're just sitting ducks.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/4/26 at 10:04 am to
Back to our Russian LNG carrier off Malta.


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