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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:16 pm to doubleb
Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:16 pm to doubleb
Maybe, but the way both sides are posturing it seems like one or the other is going to be forced to say uncle at some point just because there is no interest in trying to find some mutually agreeable way out. That way out probably doesn't exist even if they were interested in finding it.
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:35 pm to VolSquatch
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Maybe, but the way both sides are posturing it seems like one or the other is going to be forced to say uncle at some point just because there is no interest in trying to find some mutually agreeable way out
Remember the Civil War scene in the Good, the Bad and the Ugly?
Maybe someone will just have to come along and blow it all up? Anyone have Clint Eastwood’s number?
Posted on 12/19/25 at 5:16 pm to doubleb
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Maybe someone will just have to come along and blow it all up? Anyone have Clint Eastwood’s number?
The EU approved a $90 billion "forgivable" loan to Ukraine which will kept them solvent for another year. Meanwhile Russia's cash flow slows dramatically
Posted on 12/19/25 at 5:17 pm to doubleb
I don't know if that would be good for the world long term. I think Russia in its current state will always have fundamental flaws that will keep its ceiling capped, and they are closer to a street thug than Darth Vader or something. If it's rebuilt, who knows? And that doesn't even account for what happens to the nukes in that situation.
But if Poland or someone that isn't us really feels like it's beneficial, more power to them I guess.
But if Poland or someone that isn't us really feels like it's beneficial, more power to them I guess.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 5:21 pm to CitizenK
Will this 3 day operation last longer than world war 1?
Many people are asking
Many people are asking
Posted on 12/19/25 at 5:45 pm to VolSquatch
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Maybe, but the way both sides are posturing it seems like one or the other is going to be forced to say uncle at some point just because there is no interest in trying to find some mutually agreeable way out
I'm sorry, this is fundamentally untrue.
Ukraine is not posturing. Ukraine did not start this fight and is only fighting for its existence, not fighting over feet of land stupidly like the Russians in the vein hopes of another country's complete capitulation as would the statement of 'posturing' would suggest.
There is a continued attempt to put some of the blame on the Ukrainians, including this fundamental lie of 'posturing.' The second the Russians want this war over, it's over. It's mind-boggling to me that Americans, or anyone else not in the Kremlin for that matter, continue to ignore these basic facts and continue to push the narrative that the ANYBODY other than the Russians (with the possible exception of the current American President) are entirely blameworthy for the cost of this war. Any 'posturing' that the Ukrainians are doing is simply fighting off the Russians for the very survival of their families and their nation, and not a false display of diplomacy in an attempt to gain leverage on the situation as a display of power for power's sake.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 5:47 pm to Hateradedrink
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Will this 3 day operation last longer than world war 1?
It already is for Russia. Russia was in WW1 from August 1914 to December 1917, or just over three years. They've already got that beat.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 5:53 pm to Leopold
And in January it will match the time it took for Russia to reach Berlin after Operation Barbarossa kicked off.
Putin remains a master strategist.
Putin remains a master strategist.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 6:25 pm to Leopold
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I'm sorry, this is fundamentally untrue.
In a negotiation sense they are both 100% posturing.
Neither side has a strong enough position to be making the demands they are. It's literally the definition of posturing.
It's not even a little but about blaming them. They are the ones fighting, if they want to be maximalists in their demands that's their choice.
Though I will say at some point if they maintain a maximalist stance, some supporting nations might decide to get off the ride.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 12/19/25 at 6:46 pm to Leopold
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It's mind-boggling to me that Americans, or anyone else not in the Kremlin for that matter, continue to ignore these basic facts and continue to push the narrative that the ANYBODY other than the Russians (with the possible exception of the current American President) are entirely blameworthy for the cost of this war.
The only real reason to want this over ASAP is so that China doesn't end up with bigger chunks of Russia. The Chinese have already been given the forests around Lake Baikal, which they also need and covet with that huge amount of needed fresh water.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 8:45 pm to VolSquatch
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In a negotiation sense they are both 100% posturing.
Explain to us how Ukraine refusing to capitulate to Russian demands is posturing.
They have exceeded all expectations while Russia has fallen in their arse.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:52 pm to doubleb
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Explain to us how Ukraine refusing to capitulate to Russian demands is posturing.
That isn't posturing so I don't need to explain that.
Their demands are. They know Russia will never accept Ukraine in NATO.
Russia's demands are also posturing. For instance, they know they aren't getting land they don't even occupy.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:53 pm to doubleb
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They have exceeded all expectations while Russia has fallen in their arse
By the way, That's one
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:54 pm to CitizenK
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The only real reason to want this over ASAP is so that China doesn't end up with bigger chunks of Russia
Fewer people dying would also be pretty neat
Posted on 12/20/25 at 3:44 am to VolSquatch
The very same day Ukraine receives €90 billion in loans, the Czechs decide that they will continue supplying shells after all.
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Posted on 12/20/25 at 6:28 am to cypher
US intelligence indicates Putin's war aims in Ukraine are unchanged
By Jonathan Landay, Erin Banco and John Irish
December 19, 20252:13 PM CSTUpdated 16 hours ago
Summary
US intelligence reports contradict Putin's denials of being threat to Europe
Assessments of Russia's intentions similar to those shared by British and other European security services
US officials plan to meet Russian representatives in Miami this weekend to continue talks
WASHINGTON/PARIS, Dec 19 (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence reports continue to warn that Russian President Vladimir Putin intends to capture all of Ukraine and reclaim parts of Europe that belonged to the former Soviet empire, six sources familiar with U.S. intelligence said, even as negotiators seek an end to the war that would leave Russia with far less territory.
The reports present a starkly different picture from that painted by U.S. President Donald Trump and his Ukraine peace negotiators, who have said Putin wants to end the conflict. The most recent of the reports dates from late September, according to one of the sources.
The intelligence also contradicts the Russian leader’s denials that he is a threat to Europe.
The U.S. findings have been consistent since Putin launched his full-scale invasion in 2022. They largely align with the views of European leaders and spy agencies that he covets all of Ukraine and territories of former Soviet bloc states, including members of the NATO alliance, according to the sources.
"The intelligence has always been that Putin wants more," Mike Quigley, a Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a Reuters interview. "The Europeans are convinced of it. The Poles are absolutely convinced of it. The Baltics think they're first.”
Reuters
By Jonathan Landay, Erin Banco and John Irish
December 19, 20252:13 PM CSTUpdated 16 hours ago
Summary
US intelligence reports contradict Putin's denials of being threat to Europe
Assessments of Russia's intentions similar to those shared by British and other European security services
US officials plan to meet Russian representatives in Miami this weekend to continue talks
WASHINGTON/PARIS, Dec 19 (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence reports continue to warn that Russian President Vladimir Putin intends to capture all of Ukraine and reclaim parts of Europe that belonged to the former Soviet empire, six sources familiar with U.S. intelligence said, even as negotiators seek an end to the war that would leave Russia with far less territory.
The reports present a starkly different picture from that painted by U.S. President Donald Trump and his Ukraine peace negotiators, who have said Putin wants to end the conflict. The most recent of the reports dates from late September, according to one of the sources.
The intelligence also contradicts the Russian leader’s denials that he is a threat to Europe.
The U.S. findings have been consistent since Putin launched his full-scale invasion in 2022. They largely align with the views of European leaders and spy agencies that he covets all of Ukraine and territories of former Soviet bloc states, including members of the NATO alliance, according to the sources.
"The intelligence has always been that Putin wants more," Mike Quigley, a Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, said in a Reuters interview. "The Europeans are convinced of it. The Poles are absolutely convinced of it. The Baltics think they're first.”
Reuters
Posted on 12/20/25 at 6:34 am to cypher
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U.S. intelligence reports continue to warn that Russian President Vladimir Putin intends to capture all of Ukraine and reclaim parts of Europe that belonged to the former Soviet empire, six sources familiar with U.S. intelligence said
Budanov states the same, from different sources -
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Chief of Ukrainian Defense Intelligence Kyrylo Budanov: Russia is preparing to occupy the Baltics, accelerating its aggression plans to 2027.
Russia views the Baltic states as a target for occupation, while Poland, under current plans, is considered a target for strikes without a full-scale takeover, Kyrylo Budanov said speaking at an event hosted by the LB Club.
According to him, Russia has moved up the timeline for preparing direct aggression from 2030 to 2027.
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General Budanov also noted that Ukraine is critically dependent on the United States in two areas:
- space-based, radar, and optical intelligence;
- early warning of ballistic missile threats.
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Posted on 12/20/25 at 6:59 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 12/20/25 at 8:36 am to Coeur du Tigre
Since Hungary voted in favor, Putin must have missed some payments to Orban
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:28 am to cypher
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The Baltics think they're first.
Highly likely since Kaliningrad has no corridor and the Baltics are de-Russifying vigorously.
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