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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:27 am to
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:27 am to
I hope the US Military is paying close attention to the drone innovation coming out of this war.

Ukraine is going to chase Russia's navy totally out of the black sea.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:30 pm to
More thoughts on the SBU attack on the Russian sub today -
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Kinda secondary, but SBU likely also showing they maintain access to security camera feeds overwatching Russian military assets.
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note the AI recognition boxes.

And no discussion is complete without the reaction of the Russian war bloggers -
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Ukraine's audacious attack today on a Russian submarine at anchor in Novorossiysk has prompted anger and derision from Russian warbloggers. One complains: "I don't have the strength to comment on this anal fricking anymore."
In crises, true nature appears...




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Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:56 pm to
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Ukraine is going to chase Russia's navy totally out of the black sea


Lesson number 1 for us might be that if we want to continue being the world power we are, we need to have a counter for these things to protect our ships if we don't already.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 2:27 pm to
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The Russians have long had a reputation as absolutely vicious negotiators as they approach negotiations as another exercise in war in and of itself. No concessions are ever made and any concession that is made by the other side is not looked upon as making progress towards a common goal, such as 'peace,' but rather a weakness that is to be exploited.


Stalin demanded that the USSR gets Denmark in negotiations at Yalta. He also guaranteed free and open elections for all of the nations occupied by Soviet troops, especially Poland.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 2:31 pm to
The Korchagan field is a very new field for Russia, discovered 20 years ago. 50,000 bbls per day from a single production platform. Enhanced production via water injection wells and natural gas reinjected to make the oil flow.

Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:03 pm to
The Astrakhan Gas Processing Plant is very major, As large as some of the largest in the USA. It is not actually a chemical plant as stated. Sulfur is removed via amine units then the H2S is either converted to sulfur or sulfuric acid. NGL's are fractionated after methane is shipped via pipeline. The gasoline, diesel and heavier are from the Pentane's plus via stabilizers.

Shell had built a large one near Eustace, TX, south of Canton home of the giant flea market, in the 1970's, large enough to build a shortline RR to it and ship a unit train, 100 tank cars, of sulfuric acid per week. The natural gas feeding it from north of I-20 was 32% H2S and 10% CO2.38% methane. The plant was torn down less than a decade ago. I was there to look at equipment to salvage in 2015. The owner sold it and 6 other smaller feeder plants, and the pipeline system to another company who operated the system for only a few more years.

That was an interesting part of TX. Lots of small ranches and almost every home had a US flag and a TX flag flying. Many had a TX star on their gates
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Posted by 844_Tiger
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:24 pm to
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The submarine was equipped with four Kalibr cruise missile launchers used by Russia for strikes against Ukrainian territory.


Very interesting. Anyone know if this class of sub can carry nuclear ballistic missiles? Good on Ukraine for fighting with their backs against the wall.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:29 pm to

Ukrsine , US and Europe may agree on a security deal, but you know Russia won’t. More on the Ukraine attack on the Russian sub which was pretty good for the dumbest people in Europe.


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Key Takeaways
US, Ukrainian, and European officials reportedly agreed on unspecified security guarantees for Ukraine during a peace negotiation meeting in Berlin, Germany, on December 15.
Ukrainian forces conducted an unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV) strike against a Russian submarine for the first time in naval history on the night of December 14 to 15. Ukrainian forces continue counterattacking in the Kupyansk direction as Russian ultranationalist milbloggers acknowledge the severity of the situation for Russian forces. Russian forces are striking Ukrainian logistics lines in Odesa Oblast with various air launched munitions, including glide bombs, highlighting Ukraine’s urgent need for a well provisioned and diverse air defense umbrella. Russian strikes appear to be advancing the Kremlin’s stated goal of degrading Ukraine’s energy infrastructure by splitting Ukraine’s power grid in half. Ukraine requires Western-provided air defense systems and partner support for its drone interceptor development to safeguard itself against increasingly devastating strikes on its energy infrastructure. Ukrainian forces recently advanced in western Zaporizhia Oblast. Russian forces recently advanced in the Kostyantynivka-Druzhkivka tactical area.


ISW
Posted by texag7
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:58 pm to
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Shell had built a large one near Eustace, TX, south of Canton home of the giant flea market, in the 1970's


What was the name of this plant?
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:12 pm to
It was Shell's Eustace Gas Plant, duh. They are generally named after the location.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:42 pm to
100% agreed. On Land, Air, and Sea.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 12:08 am to
The sub that was hit was one of 3 active Kilo II (Project 636.3) subs in the Black Sea Fleet. The Kilo II can fire Kalibr cruise missiles via its torpedo tubes, which is what Russia was using it for against Ukraine. Kalibr's can be equipped with nuclear warheads.

It's a significant loss for Russia, and current estimates are $400M - $500M per boat.

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The Russian Navy also moved forward in the late 2010s, with the construction of Project 636.3, also known as Improved Kilo II. The first-in-class was named Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky (PPK) and was launched by the head of Admiralty Shipyard Alexander Buzakov on 28 March 2019, or some thirty months after commission.[1] By November 2019, six units had been built for the Black Sea Fleet and further boats were proposed, but not funded, for the Pacific and Baltic Fleets.[4]

In June 2022, an unconfirmed report from within Russia's defense industry suggested that a further tranche of six additional Project 636.3 vessels might be ordered to start construction in around 2024.[17] The class "is slightly longer in length — the sub's submerged displacement is around 4,000 tons — and features improved engines, an improved combat system, as well as new noise reduction technology; it can fire both torpedoes and cruise missiles, launched from one of six 533-millimeter torpedo tubes."[1] The class has a seven-bladed propeller, instead of the six-bladed propeller of the Project 877 class.[15]


2 of the 6 boats mentioned were already out of service, one due to a fuel system problem and the other due to an aerial drone strike by Ukraine. One is on duty in the Mediterranean. The one we're talking about was one of the remaining 3 in service in the Black Sea Fleet.
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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:02 am to
Zelensky playing nice to avoid being tagged as the obstructionist and "war monger". Seriously. But the problems are so self-evident that only a manipulative psychopath can imagine Kyiv or anyone else will agree.

The Witkoff-Kushner-Trump Mafia are getting desperate. Their demands have gone from total Ukrainian capitulation to Russia being given all three Provinces fully to the current establishment of a “free economic zone”. So the TACO Mafia can begin looting without any guarantees that the Russian attacks will stop.

Clown show.

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Ukraine will not legally or practically recognize Donbas as Russian, Zelensky says. "Russia still wants Donbas, but Ukraine won’t cede it. The U.S. has floated a “free economic zone” compromise, but “free” doesn’t mean under Russian control. Talks on territory continue, and no consensus yet," he added.



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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:09 am to
Even the Russian government press calls this as they see it - a total failure. The only reason the TACO Mafia is still pushing is because Trump wants the headlines for something that can be called a peace deal. Anything will do.

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:13 am to
What a joke, what an embarrassment for the US.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:26 am to
We may all react by saying "unbelieveable" but that would be untrue.


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You all heard about the An-22 crash. The aircraft was conducting an acceptance flight after repairs. It turned out there had been no repairs at all. A worker from the plant wrote in a Telegram chat and admitted that they simply added extended 100 flight hours and sent it back into service. Not for long, though.



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Nothing that can't be fixed with vodka

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Most russian thing I have read today.

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"They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work"

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Use the good duct tape this time, Ivan.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 8:28 am to
They are looking beyond as well.
Posted by texag7
College Station
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:13 am to
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It was Shell's Eustace Gas Plant, duh. They are generally named after the location.


Shell didn’t own a gas plant there bud
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:15 am to
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 12/16/25 at 11:39 am to
I don't know if they did or not, don't really care either way, but a simple chatgpt question about this says:

Q: Did Shell have a gas plant in Eustace Texas?

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Short answer: Yes — Shell did have a gas processing plant in the Eustace, Texas area.

Here’s what the record shows with documented context:

In a 1998 filing related to industrial contracting work, someone described contracting with Smackover Shell Limited Partnership at the Eustace Field and Plant beginning in January 1985. That strongly implies that Shell operated or was directly involved with a gas plant near Eustace during that era.

Independent local sources mention a former Shell gas plant in Eustace connected with a historic railroad spur (Southern Pacific line) serving the facility — today abandoned but noted in rail-history posts.

Local obituary content references an individual working as a technician for Shell Oil in the gas treatment plant around Eustace, with retirement in 1999.

Regulatory records from OSHA refer to an “Eustace Gas Processing Plant” in the same town, though at the time of that report it was owned/operated by a different company (Tristream East Texas LLC). This suggests the facility changed hands over time after Shell’s involvement.

Put together, the evidence points to Shell having owned and/or operated a gas processing plant in the Eustace/Smackover Field area historically, likely through a partnership structure, with subsequent changes in ownership over the years. If you need specifics on dates of operation, ownership transitions, or exact facility names in regulatory filings, I can pull those for you next.


It's still there, just owned by a different company. ETA Using Google Earth's history function, you can see that they tore down part of the plant between 2017 and 2022.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Sx2EjSm5QVuLz5CVA


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