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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:39 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:39 pm to crazy4lsu
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That OP makes the mistake of assuming individuals have any control over the actions of external actors
Eh, I think it's fair to ask if people who are so for this war continuing because they want Russia weaker have really thought much about the human cost and what the day to day is like for the people actually living it.
But that's a fair question to all of us regardless of our opinions on it. We are detached from the realities. We are speculating, almost always based on biased if not outright false information.
The demographic crisis in Ukraine that this war is only making worse weighs on me, that's why I've been talking about it a lot lately. It's genuinely sad what is being done to the Ukranian people.
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:40 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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Well, Putin did say he wanted to go back to the old Soviet Union days...
That is typical even under Putin. In the 1990's Russian drilling crews were paid 5 months late and were not allowed to quit their jobs. That has happened in every slowdown of manufacturing. No layoffs, they just go to work without pay weeks at a time then get paid for 3 days of their 5 day work week. Russians are actually used to this, they've been conditioned for it their entire lives and it doesn't matter if they are 20 years old or 70 years old. This is business as usual.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:44 pm to bucknut
EU races to bypass Viktor Orbán on Russian assets before summit -
Move to outvote Hungary this week would indefinitely immobilise Moscow’s sovereign assets
Move to outvote Hungary this week would indefinitely immobilise Moscow’s sovereign assets
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EU countries are to fast-track a decision to indefinitely immobilise up to €210bn in Russian sovereign assets, in an attempt to bypass Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán even before Europe’s leaders meet for a summit next week.
The hurried effort to pass the legislation — which invokes emergency powers to override national vetoes on the extension of sanctions — aims to protect Brussels’ leverage in US-led peace talks over the war in Ukraine, according to officials familiar with the plans.
Diplomats handling the legislation see advantage in moving swiftly in coming days to detach the contentious question of immobilising assets from the debate on raising loans for Kyiv backed by the frozen Russian funds. That funding question will be left to EU leaders next week.
The move to vote within the coming week, overriding the principle of unanimity on sanctions decisions, risks enraging Hungary and other countries that oppose the measure [we can only hope...]. Past instances of EU countries outvoting other member states on critical issues — such as Poland and Hungary on migration policy — have caused bad blood between capitals for years. [Ooooh... 'bad blood'. Like that from over 6,000 dead Ukrainian children?]
The European Commission last week proposed using €210bn of Russia’s foreign assets immobilised under sanctions in the EU to fund a loan to Kyiv, initially for €90bn that would be disbursed in the next two years.
For the loan scheme to work, the underlying assets need to be immobilised indefinitely, rather than for six-month periods that can only be renewed with unanimous agreement of all EU27 countries.
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Hungary, the EU’s most pro-Russian state, opposes any further aid to Kyiv and has routinely threatened to veto the sanctions rollover. EU officials fear Orbán would follow through on the threat if Donald Trump’s administration decided to unilaterally drop US sanctions on Russia. Zoltán Kovács, Hungary’s government spokesperson, said this week that the commission’s loan proposal “crosses every red line”.
To bypass the risk of the sanctions being lifted, the commission has proposed using emergency powers reserved for dealing with economic crises to indefinitely impose the sanctions on the assets. Enacted under Article 122 of the EU’s treaties, it can be passed with just a majority of EU countries, circumventing potential vetoes.
[See Vlad...? All that hybrid warfare against the EU countries is finally working.]
Locking in the sanctions would also mark a statement against Washington. An initial Ukraine peace plan partly drafted by American officials had called for the bulk of the assets to be poured into two US-led investment funds.
US officials have also sought to dissuade EU capitals from taking any steps to use the assets before a peace plan is agreed.
Belgium, home to central securities depository Euroclear, which holds €185bn of the Russian assets, has opposed the loan proposal, citing legal and financial risks. It fears being left on the hook for legal claims from Russia should the sanctions be lifted unexpectedly.
Belgium has demanded ironclad guarantees that other member states would agree to be jointly liable and share the costs of potential legal suits against it or Euroclear. The commission has addressed “almost all” of Belgium’s demands for the reparations loan, president Ursula von der Leyen said.
A spokesperson for the Belgian prime minister declined to comment. [I bet he did.]
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:46 pm to LSURussian
I hope that immigrant family you exploit is able to satisfy their family this Christmas on the poverty wages you pay them to mow and landscape your yard 
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:47 pm to doubleb
So just to be clear you were talking out of your arse?
Another poster was able to answer. I'm glad at least someone knows what they are talking about here.
Another poster was able to answer. I'm glad at least someone knows what they are talking about here.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:47 pm to crazy4lsu
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Like on the ground? Ukraine has made mass formations and maneuvers essentially impossible. Thus the Russians have adopted small-scale intrusions, which are infantry-intensive, and thus, in order for Ukraine to make the most of this situation, they will have to make Russian earn every inch of land. It is difficult to employ the 'death by 1000 cuts' philosophy when the landmass itself is so large. The Ukrainians can bleed the Russians dry while still ceding ground, as they will likely have to withdraw from Povorosk but still retain control of 'the fortress belt.' Taking land back will be difficult without more forces, but again, all indicators point to several nations directly intervening should the Ukrainians collapse
Interesting stuff, thank you for actually answering
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:00 pm to VolSquatch
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Eh, I think it's fair to ask if people who are so for this war continuing because they want Russia weaker have really thought much about the human cost and what the day to day is like for the people actually living it.
But it isn't like anything we say here will actually have any effect on the ground. Asking for empathy for those people while ignoring what will happen to those people under Russian rule is a curious rhetorical route. And given the data out of Ukraine, the Ukrainians themselves seem to be the most obstinate about ceding any territory.
I'm also confused as to why you are asking people who are Ukraine supporters, more or less, to consider the human cost when Russian strategy blatantly ignores that cost. It feels like an effort to 'police' one side of an argument with no hope of policing the other side. I can understand being frustrated by the pace of things, but also war is an incredibly common experience in human history. The last 30 years of relative peace among 'near-peer' nations due to the US security umbrella would seemingly move people to increase the capacity and capability of that umbrella, rather than moving towards the pre-WWII model, which is something autocrats everywhere seemingly want.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:06 pm to crazy4lsu
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Ukrainians can bleed the Russians dry while still ceding ground, as they will likely have to withdraw from Povorosk but still retain control of 'the fortress belt.' Taking land back will be difficult without more forces, but again, all indicators point to several nations directly intervening should the Ukrainians collapse.
All of this is made up, stupid and at the same time hilarious.
You people are allergic to the reality on the ground in Ukraine. Also hilarious
Slava. Idiots
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:11 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'm also confused as to why you are asking people who are Ukraine supporters, more or less, to consider the human cost when Russian strategy blatantly ignores that cost. I
I mean yeah there is nothing we can really do if Russia won't quit. That's the reality of it and the ultimate truth. They could go home and stop it, and should.
But I view many here as having unrealistic expectations or demands from the Ukranian perspective if there were a path to peace. And ultimately that's because I view Ukraine's outlook and position more negatively than they do.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:17 pm to VolSquatch
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So just to be clear you were talking out of your arse?
To be clear, I am tired of your childish behavior and I didn’t think you really wanted an answer.
All you really wanted to do was start something.
Grow up.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:20 pm to doubleb
So you're tired of me yet instead of just answering and that being the end of it we are on something like 5 comments back and forth about it
Makes sense.
I'll ask someone who actually knows anything next time.
Makes sense.
I'll ask someone who actually knows anything next time.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:28 pm to VolSquatch
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But I view many here as having unrealistic expectations or demands from the Ukranian perspective if there were a path to peace. And ultimately that's because I view Ukraine's outlook and position more negatively than they do.
I don't think there is anything particularly unreasonable from the Ukrainians nor the Russians. Neither side feel they are losing and from a certain perspective, they are both correct. In addition, the battlefield itself suggests this. The political game both are playing is the same one any state plays. It's just thew way power works, or rather, how humans tend to express it.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:31 pm to texag7
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All of this is made up, stupid and at the same time hilarious.
What? What part is made up? Be specific.
This might be the first time in a few years you haven't lost your mind over transgender nonsense. I do think it kicks arse that I hurt your feelings so badly you had to start a thread complaining about my mean words. I've broken your brain so thoroughly dude. Sucks to be you.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:32 pm to crazy4lsu
Well you asked about me talking to posters here who support Ukraine so it was more in reference to their positions than Ukraine's actual position. But I do believe they are unreasonable if they think they are getting land back..but that could just be a negotiation tactic, as you referenced with your political games comment.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:34 pm to texag7
Your posts are both ugly and devoid of any substance making them a waste of Internet bandwidth.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:36 pm to CitizenK
The ever lower price of oil is going to hurt Russia as much or more than all of the refinery attacks.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 5:12 pm to VolSquatch
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Well you asked about me talking to posters here who support Ukraine so it was more in reference to their positions than Ukraine's actual position.
Fair enough.
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But I do believe they are unreasonable if they think they are getting land back..but that could just be a negotiation tactic, as you referenced with your political games comment.
I mean, what is clear that this is going to be a geopolitical flashpoint for a while. That Crimea specifically has had several different 'owners' since the US was founded as a nation, including 11 different polities claiming ownership during the Russian Civil War suggests that perhaps the relative peace the USSR provided for that region of the Black Sea was as much an aberration for the area as was the last 30 years of 'Pax Americana' (arguably). What I mean here is that unless the geopolitics surrounding the Black Sea changes, what each side believes about their claims to the land is entirely related to what they can enforce. What likely saves us from a larger regional war is the fact that Turkey, the other major player in the region, is restrained by being in NATO, but they too have 'historical' associations and have a vested interest in controlling the Black Sea entirely.
At this point, neither Russia nor Ukraine can see their battlefield aims out, and in that sense have to rely on 'hybrid' warfare techniques to maximize the possibility of gaining some advantage now. I think the reality is that regardless of what happens in the next few years, the flashpoint will remain til the end of this century at the minimum.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 6:16 pm to Auburn1968
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:08 pm to VolSquatch
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Interesting how no one had any rebuttals for this post.
It's best just to walk past the crazy guy yelling outside the CVS...
Posted on 12/10/25 at 9:12 pm to doubleb
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The gains are easily taken in by Ukraine who makes adjustments.
This is fricking retarded.
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It’s been this way for over two years.
There have been no breakthroughs, no big gains, and nothing but small gains that occur and give Ukraine time and space to reorganize. Russia isn’t mobile enough to move at a faster rate; thus allowing Ukraine to make the necessary defensive adjustments.
yeah, and we've gone over it 10,000 times...
Russia is fighting for land,
Ukraine is fighting to cripple Russia's ability to wage the war.
They're not fighting the same war.
Now here comes the requisite dumb "they should be fighting to get their land back rather than bombing warehouses and oil refineries inside Russia" comments...
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