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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:35 pm to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:35 pm to
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Sea Baby sea drones of Ukraine's SBU struck a Russian shadow fleet tanker “Dashan” in the Black Sea. The ship, under the Comoros flag, was moving toward Novorossiysk with its transponder off, inside Ukraine’s exclusive economic zone. The joint SBU&Navy operation reportedly disabled the vessel.


Damn, right on the Plimsol marks. Well, at least there isn't another million barrels of unwanted crude floating around aimlessly waiting for a buyer for three months. At this rate Turkey's going to have to go into the ship breaking business.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:51 pm to
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Ukraine's foreign intelligence chief Oleg Ivashchenko reported growing Chinese influence over Russia, desovereignization of resource-rich regions, sale of critical assets, and military-industrial ties.

"Desovereignization" -

Yup, it's official - the Ru cupboard is bare. As predicted.

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:57 pm to
I guess the Russians should be thanked for concentrating so many finished drones in one place. After a slow week for good vids, the Bavovna of the Week© judges eagerly await results.

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 1:12 pm to
This is one of those stories that requires photographic evidence to believe.


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Ukraine’s SSU arrested a Russia-linked “shadow fleet” cargo ship in Odesa for illegally transporting Ukrainian goods from occupied Crimea and evading sanctions by changing its name and ownership.

The vessel, arriving under an African flag, had previously moved nearly 7,000 tons of grain and visited occupied Sevastopol multiple times. The captain and 16 Middle Eastern crew members were detained; documents on board confirmed illegal routes.

A criminal case was opened for financing subversive actions, state treason, transport violations, and illegal entry to occupied territory. The ship was seized for transfer to ARMA.



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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 1:35 pm to
As to the shadow fleet tanker hit earlier today, here is a map with additional information. Notice in particular the "Boeing RC-135 Rivet Joint" reconaissance aircraft flight path marked.

This type of aircraft and term 'Rivet Joint' are only flown by the RAF and the USAF. We're sure it was not flying in close proximity when the strike occurred, but then again with the kind of equipment it carries, it didn't have to.





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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 1:51 pm to
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War historian Antony Beevor explained in an interview with The Telegraph why Russia commits such atrocities in Ukraine: He argues that Russia has historically developed a belief that conspicuous cruelty is a necessary weapon of war.

According to the historian, while Europe went through the Enlightenment and attempted to "civilize" war by creating the Red Cross and similar attitudes. Russia, however, did not embrace this evolution.

Beevor links modern cruelty not only to army traditions, but also to deeply rooted violence within Russian society. Putin's soldiers, he emphasizes, often become victims of abuse themselves.

The historian recalls how, in the 1990s, while working in Russian archives, he learned that "there were up to 5,000 suicides a year" among conscripts in the Soviet Union, and Soviet generals found this funny. Now, Beevor notes, Russian conscripts are killing themselves because they are subjected not only to bullying but also to persecution and torture. The command often approves of this 'tradition' of treating recruits.

Beevor calls this phenomenon a "knock-on theory of oppression": having experienced violence themselves, soldiers then take it out on the defenseless. This is what happened in Germany in 1945, and it was repeated in all wars in which Soviet and then Russian troops participated. When asked whether cruelty is considered legitimate in Russia, the historian replied that Russians "don't give a damn about legitimacy, to be perfectly honest."

The war will end someday, and hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers will return home. What will happen when people accustomed to violence, looting, and murder find themselves among the civilian population? "We've already been hearing anecdotal evidence of appalling crimes being committed," Beevor said.

He highlighted the Russian command's inhumane treatment of its own troops: mobile crematoria at the front, the use of convicts in "punishment" units for demining and suicide attacks - all of which are a continuation of old practices.

"They've certainly been using the idea of punishment battalions that Stalin actually copied from the Germans," Beevor added.

The historian warned that if the Kremlin considers its campaign in Ukraine successful, the Baltic states could be the next target. He recalled the lessons of the past: after World War I, the British and French could not believe that anyone would want another war, and therefore underestimated Hitler.

"We've seen a similar thing in the 2000s <...> Nobody believed that anyone would want to have another ground war on the European landmass again. [Under Putin], the sheer brutality of the Russian way of war could well be reapplied on the European landmass," Beevor concluded.



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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:05 pm to
A look at future warfare. The MT-LB kept moving forward because there wasn't enough leg left in the driver's compartment to hit the brakes.

Watch to the end. When they state that the assessment the following morning confirmed the destruction of the MT-LB as well as the elimination of the enemy's manpower in a tree line, they meant literally in the tree line.

50 Cal AP Democracy letters...

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A ground drone of the 5th Assault Brigade thwarted the Russian overnight assault, destroying an MT-LB armored fighting vehicle and enemy infantry.

Ukrainian Defenders anticipated possible routes for the movement of Russian armored vehicles and deployed Droid ground combat systems equipped with Browning M2 heavy machine guns there.

Morning assessment confirmed the destruction of an MT-LB in a tree line, as well as the elimination of the enemy's manpower.


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Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:30 pm to
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Interesting how no one had any rebuttals for this post.


What is there to rebut? The OP is posting quite emotionally using nonsensical logic, like she usually does.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:32 pm to
I asked a question.

If you can't answer it, say so.

Saying "they made adjustments" and then not being able to provide a single example of an action they took to adjust is you either not being able to find evidence or just outright making shite up, not me trolling.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:35 pm to
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Honestly, there's not a whole lot to it. It's just some name calling and angry spite.

Can't do much with that..


Well you have said previously that you don't even actually care about Ukraine, you just see them as a tool to fight Russia. So yeah there's nothing in that post that you would have to reply to.

Many here are at least pretending to care deeply about Ukraine.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:36 pm to
I like how he thinks, but I don't believe there will be that much left after the Chinese 'desovereignization'. Still can't pronounce that word correctly but I bet the Russians have an even harder time of it.


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Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:36 pm to
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The OP is posting quite emotionally using nonsensical logic


When I saw this I had no idea who you were talking about initially. Could have been one of a half dozen posters.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:39 pm to
Compared to our old standby. Like the song says, "Getting Closer Every Day".


Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:42 pm to
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Interesting how no one had any rebuttals for this post.


There is nothing to rebut; the poster is using a logical fallacy to try to gatekeep the conversation.

The OP is arguing that only direct victims are allowed to hold views on a war. That’s a fallacy; expertise and evidence don’t require personal trauma. By that logic, nobody could have an opinion on cancer, poverty, law enforcement, or national policy unless they personally lived each one.

It boils down to the fact that he can't attack the argument, so he's attacking the poster. What is there to rebut other than calling out his weak arse position? Frankly, there have been so many posts like this over the last 4 years that I suspect most people just ignore them...like I should have.


This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 2:47 pm
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:45 pm to
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I get flustered because I try to act like an adult, but then you divert to playing kid games. You start trolling again just to start an argument.

It has gotten old.
I hope you're able to satisfy Volsnatch's interroggation before Friday night gets here...
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Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:54 pm to
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I hope you're able to satisfy Volsnatch's interroggation before Friday night gets here...


Russian ease up on him, he really had a bad week before last.

First Vandy embarrassed Tennessee and then Kiffin came to LSU after Vol spent hours every day telling everyone on the LSU boards Kiffin was going to Florida.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:54 pm to
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Like what kind of adjustments? Be as specific as possible.



Like on the ground? Ukraine has made mass formations and maneuvers essentially impossible. Thus the Russians have adopted small-scale intrusions, which are infantry-intensive, and thus, in order for Ukraine to make the most of this situation, they will have to make Russian earn every inch of land. It is difficult to employ the 'death by 1000 cuts' philosophy when the landmass itself is so large. The Ukrainians can bleed the Russians dry while still ceding ground, as they will likely have to withdraw from Povorosk but still retain control of 'the fortress belt.' Taking land back will be difficult without more forces, but again, all indicators point to several nations directly intervening should the Ukrainians collapse.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 2:56 pm to
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When I saw this I had no idea who you were talking about initially. Could have been one of a half dozen posters.



Sure, but the post in question had nothing to rebut in a substantive sense. That OP makes the mistake of assuming individuals have any control over the actions of external actors.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:21 pm to
Well, Putin did say he wanted to go back to the old Soviet Union days...

Again, official Russian government figures.

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Workers in the Urals at one of the largest copper-iron-vanadium ore extraction sites complain that they haven’t been paid for the second month in a row. The situation is so critical that many of them can’t even afford the trip home.

According to Rosstat, as of October, the total amount of overdue wage arrears in the country reached 2.156 billion rubles, and over the past year this figure has increased 2.95 times. The number of complaints to Rostrud about wage delays and non-payments has jumped 1.6 times in a year: in 11 months, the agency received 26,000 appeals.

How was it they said? Growth — but a negative one.


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Posted by bucknut
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:31 pm to
Jesus Christ dude quit shitting the thread up. You guys complained about JB, but this guy spams twice as much.
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