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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:22 pm to
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Sure you mentioned Graham and Kellogg , but you said Trump was listening to them, right?

So are you saying now that Graham and Kellogg are the bosses and Trump is their lackey?


I don't know about Barron's opinion. I think he is a huge Trumper.

I generally like Trump, but I also have a healthy skepticism in regards to him on a lot of issues.

Our policy RE:Ukraine hasn't meaningfully changed for any long period thus far. Trump blows in the wind about it because outside of some economic/domestic stuff that I really like, he doesn't have an established world view/belief system when it comes to foreign policy in particular other than "act tough to get what you want", and that hasn't been as effective in Trump admin 2.0 because people can see that its usually a bluff.

So I would say that yes, he is currently their "lackey", or rather "they have his ear currently" would be a better way to phrase my view of the current situation.

I could also see Putin attempting to escalate things like these infrastructure attacks to give himself something he can back down off of in order to give Trump a "win" and try to gain his ear back.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 2:24 pm
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:28 pm to
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I don't know about Barron's opinion. I think he is a huge Trumper.
He was until President Trump started saying negative things about Putin going back on his promises after the Alaska meeting.

Ivan's primary loyalty is to Putin not Trump.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:35 pm to
If these trolls stop posting. They are in a 100 mile long line to get gasoline.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:42 pm to
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If these trolls stop posting. They are in a 100 mile long line to get gasoline.



Which ones, specifically?

I know one you're going to say. He is a given. Who else?

I think we have two of your brothers in arms (brothers in keyboards?) in here actually instigating.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:48 pm to
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I don't know about Barron's opinion. I think he is a huge Trumper.


I am but I still call him out when he doesn't keep his promises. Just like with the H-1B Visa issue when he flip flopped on that. His rhetoric totally changed when he went golfing with Lindsey Graham and the President of Finland so this is not very surprising. He basically is letting the Neocons and Zelensky control him and flipped his foreign policy


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This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 2:54 pm
Posted by DakIsNoLB
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:50 pm to
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Neither side has even air superiority. The US believes not in superiority but Air Supremacy



I'm using them interchangeably but shouldn't. Supremacy is very difficult to achieve; sometimes superiority is the best you can do and is still very good.

It still begs the question: how do you achieve supremacy or superiority in drone warfare?
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:59 pm to
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It still begs the question: how do you achieve supremacy or superiority in drone warfare?
Damn good question. I don't know the answer.
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:05 pm to
GODDAMNIT BARRON

I TOKD YOU TO STOP MAKING CRAP UP

Here. Here’s an independent report showing issues the Russians are having with their own Nuclear Reactors. If anybody actually knows anything about this, please speak up:

Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:06 pm to
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It still begs the question: how do you achieve supremacy or superiority in drone warfare?



Our current understanding/usage equates them more to a modern version of WW1 artillery than aircraft IMO.

Hit something with "barrages", create effective "no man's land". Some of them obviously are more akin to missiles.

I suspect the best defense against drones will eventually become other drones, but companies like Anduril have some automated turret-like platforms that can be mounted on ships currently to stop them. Eventually you'll see similar at the front. But there will always be some effectiveness in volume-based drone attacks no matter how sophisticated we get in defending against them.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:12 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:14 pm to
Ron Paul was quite the hypocrite while a congresscritter. MASSIVE bacon taker is how he kept getting re-elected.

FTR, in his campaign, Trump said that if Putin refused to deal in good faith, he would send lots of weapons to Ukraine.

RP is not a truth teller, and has never been one. He even dhanged Randall's nickname from Randy to Rand to appeal to nutters
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:20 pm to
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It still begs the question: how do you achieve supremacy or superiority in drone warfare?


Drone and air power are similar but two separate things. It is not cost effective to use modern jets to shoot down drones when a prop job with a machine gun would be more cost effective, but jets can take out missile defense systems then patrol the skies above enemy territory after achieving air supremacy.

An uncle was a P-38 pilot in WWII and all he did was search and destroy German trains far behind the rear of German lines, and mostly in Germany. Nary a dogfight in his entire time in Europe starting shortly after the US got going after Normandy. No German fighters even seen to intercept his squadron
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:22 pm to
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So after initially denying you meant Trump = Biden you're now doubling down and saying what you really meant was Trump = Biden?


He said what he said. Regarding Ukraine Trump is being told what to do by Graham and Kellogg; who were also controlling Biden. It’s plain as day.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 3:35 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

I don't know about Barron's opinion. I think he is a huge Trumper.


He professed to be, but he flipped today.

quote:

Our policy RE:Ukraine hasn't meaningfully changed for any long period thus far


Trump has been POTUS for just over 9 months. Things changed and things are still changing in DC.

Initially funds/weapons to Ukraine were cut way back.
Trump reached out to both sides to negotiate a peace.
Trump initially thought Z was dragging.
Trump met with Z.
Trump met with Putin.
Trump’s peace plan was sloughed off by Putin.
Putin ratcheted up the civilian bombings.
Trump came to believe Putin was playing him.
Trump appears to be changing his policy.

None of this was “meaningful”.

Trump listening to Graham and Kellogg proved the man can listen to reason. They told him Putin was evil, a liar and a charleton. Trump sees now they were right.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 3:44 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:35 pm to
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Trump listening to Graham and Kellogg proved the man can listen to reason. They told him Putin was evil, a list and a Charleston. Trump sees now they were right.


Kellogg has been an advisor to Trump since the 2016 campaign. He did serve as VP national security advisor when Trump chose McMaster to head the NSA. He's a LOT closer to Trump than Tulsi has ever been
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:52 pm to


"Trump's attempts to stop Russian oil trade prove futile

Maritime shipments of Russian oil show steady growth, reaching 3.62 million barrels per day last month — the highest level since May 2024. The value of weekly exports exceeded $1.57 billion, increasing by $240 million.

The growth continues despite active pressure from the Trump administration on major buyers, including India, Turkey, Hungary, and Slovakia. China has openly declared its intention to strengthen energy cooperation with Moscow rather than reduce it, reports the TG channel "Lomovka."

Other news at this hour:

?? Taiwan has become the world's largest importer of Russian oil — a petroleum product used to produce chemicals necessary for the semiconductor industry, writes The Guardian;

?? Macron opposed the European Commission and Germany's plan to allocate €140 billion to Kyiv from Russian assets. According to him, such a scheme violates international law;

?? Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán criticized Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk's statement that the conflict in Ukraine is "our conflict," calling such remarks a "dangerous game" with the lives of millions of Europeans. In response on platform X, Orbán emphasized that Hungary and the EU are not at war with Russia and that Tusk is dragging the Union into risky steps;

?? The Bundeswehr has become a non-functional and unviable organization, writes the publication Bild. German military historian Zenke Neitzel sharply criticizes the modern Bundeswehr in an article for Bild, calling it a "non-functional and unviable organization." Despite large investments and promises of reforms from the authorities, there are almost no real changes in the army.
- UARU"


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Posted by DakIsNoLB
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:56 pm to
From VolSquatch:

quote]Our current understanding/usage equates them more to a modern version of WW1 artillery than aircraft IMO.[/quote]

quote:

Drone and air power are similar but two separate things.


I agree they aren't quite the same as missiles, aircraft or artillery, but also have some similarities to each.

Seems a very difficult endeavor to completely render one sides drone operations incapable of effective operation, so it sounds like defense needs to get capable enough to make it not worth it to expend the drones.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 3:57 pm to
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