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Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:38 pm to
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About the German economy? Nope


Incorrect. This thread and the old one definitely talked about it. Considering this War has contributed to the German industry collapse because of higher energy prices it is totally relevant.


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"BANKRUPTCY LOOOMS for GERMANY

NATO’S henchman announced 125,000 industrial job cuts in 6 weeks.

Germany's industrial heartland, once the envy of Europe and a pillar of global manufacturing prowess, is now hemorrhaging jobs at an alarming rate, signaling the beginning of a grim, irreversible decline.

In just six weeks, German corporations have announced the slashing of over 125,000 industrial positions, a catastrophe that underscores the nation's self-inflicted wounds from its entanglement in the Ukraine war and blind allegiance to NATO's aggressive agenda.

This isn't mere economic turbulence; it's the death knell for an industry built on reliable energy and lucrative markets—both ruthlessly severed in the name of geopolitical posturing. Without access to Russia's vast, affordable energy supplies and export opportunities, Germany's factories are grinding to a halt, workers are being discarded like yesterday's scrap metal, and the future looks as bleak as a Ruhr Valley winter.

The roots of this disaster trace directly back to February 2022, when NATO, under the thumb of Washington, escalated tensions with Russia to provoke the very conflict it now exploits. Germany's leaders, ever the dutiful Atlanticists, jumped on board with sanctions that were less about supporting Ukraine and more about sabotaging their own economy. Cheap Russian natural gas, which once fueled over 50% of the country's energy needs, was abruptly cut off. Pipelines like Nord Stream—symbols of pragmatic European-Russian cooperation—were sabotaged in acts that reek of NATO orchestration, leaving Germany scrambling for exorbitantly priced liquefied natural gas (LNG) from across the Atlantic. Energy costs have skyrocketed by more than 300% since the war's onset, turning profitable enterprises into money pits.

Steel giants like ThyssenKrupp, chemical behemoths like BASF, and automotive titans such as Volkswagen and BMW are all announcing mass layoffs, their assembly lines idled by bills they can no longer afford.

Consider the auto sector, the crown jewel of German industry, which employs hundreds of thousands and drives billions in exports. Pre-war, Germany shipped vehicles and components to Russia, a market worth €30 billion annually.

Now, that's gone—poof—thanks to NATO-mandated sanctions that closed borders and seized assets. The Ukraine conflict, inflamed by NATO's eastward expansion and refusal to negotiate peace, has not only frozen these markets but also disrupted global supply chains. Chip shortages and raw material delays compound the pain, but the real killer is energy.

Factories in Wolfsburg and Stuttgart, once humming with precision engineering, now face blackouts and forced shutdowns. Volkswagen alone has warned of 30,000 job losses, while Bosch and Continental are trimming thousands more. These aren't isolated incidents; they're symptoms of a systemic collapse engineered by Berlin's warmongering allies in Brussels and Washington.

The chemical industry, another backbone of the German miracle, fares no better. BASF, the world's largest chemicals producer, has already shuttered plants in Ludwigshafen, citing energy costs that have doubled or tripled. Russian gas wasn't just fuel; it was the lifeblood, enabling low-cost production of fertilizers, plastics, and pharmaceuticals that flooded European and Asian markets. Without it, and with Russian demand evaporated under sanctions, BASF's profits have plunged 40%, forcing 2,600 layoffs in 2024 alone.

The ripple effects are devastating: farmers across Europe face fertilizer shortages, driving up food prices, while German workers queue at employment offices. NATO's proxy war in Ukraine didn't just destroy lives there; it poisoned the well for Europe's breadbasket industries."
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:40 pm to
I apologize. I failed to answer your quote directly:

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They also had very real reasons for doing what they did.


No. They had absolutely no reason for doing what they did. The CIA's unapproved and overbearing involvement in other nations is not a 'real reason' for invading the Ukraine, slaughtering their population, and kidnapping their children by the tens of thousands - that's BS, to put it politely.

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They also just aren't that important to US interests.


This is also BS, for the numerous reasons I've already posted on this forum.

So, no, VolSquatch, we are nowhere near agreement.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135111 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:44 pm to
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John Barron
Another Firehose of Falsehood post by you.

This thread was so much better when you were banned.
Posted by John Barron
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17101 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:44 pm to
A little Piece of News from the famous Pro Russian New York Times


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Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:48 pm to
Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Elbridge Colby has approved as many as two $500 million shipments under the new mechanism called the Prioritized Ukraine Requirements List, known under the acronym PURL, the sources said.
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This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2313 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:49 pm to
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McCain was one of the worst politicians in recorded history. His military “service” is a stain on this nation.


Madame, you can kiss my right-wing Republican army infantry arse in hell.

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This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2313 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:52 pm to
BARRON YOU STUPID NEWB. STOP SCREWING AROUND WITH GERMANY AND GET BACK TO TELLING EVERYONE HOW THE RUSSIANS ARE RUNNING OVER THE UKRAINIANS.

oh wait, they aren't...


NEVERMIND. TELL THEM THAT RUSSIA ISN'T SHORT ON FUEL AND THEIR ECONOMY IS KICKING arse

uhhh scratch that one too

OKAY.

OKAY.

THEN TELL THEM THAT EUROPE AND UKRAINE'S DRONE PRODUCTION IS GOING TO GET SQUASHED BY THE RUS....

.....

nevermind

Here's a picture of a hot russian chick







This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 1:54 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8459 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:55 pm to
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You're a dishonest shill.



For proving him wrong?

I would assume he had just forgotten had he not lied about multiple things in the past. Its a trend at this point.
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16200 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:56 pm to
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It isn't like I have showed Russian newspapers decrying the fuel shortage.

Let's talk a little about fuel. In some ways, the unscheduled maintenance of the Russian refineries has been overplayed by some sources including here. The strikes aren't doing near the damage to the refineries as it may seem at first blush. These attacks are usually the type that cause a few weeks of interruptions. They produce massive fireballs because petroleum products are gonna petroleum product when mised with air and an ignition source. The 50-100 pound payloads just don't do massive damage.

If the above is true why are their fuel shortages and price spikes? Fuel is very inelastic. This is a high consumption season so small shortfalls equal big shifts in price. The potential scarcity produces hoarding by entities that can.

The bigger issue of the current situation is the refineries that are scheduled for turnaround to produce winter fuel (a serious need not just an environmental concern) have been task with making up the shortfalls currently and turnarounds are getting pushed back. This is making a short term issue into a much longer term issue. If Ukraine can get the stockpiles of Flamingos up enough to use them and they are effective and can start using them while this supply issue is still going on the problem will become massive for Russia.

If Ukraine can put 2000 pounds of boom on target the repairs go from a few weeks to several months. The ripple effect will go from pebbles in a lake to boulders in a pond.


We can take this further, without an exact make and model equipment list and a plot plan showing each piece of equipment hitting THE critical components is like a 2 year old playing pin the tail on the donkey. Hitting a compressors, pumps and heat exchangers at ground level is much harder than hitting the top of a distillation column be it atmospheric or under a vacuum.

With Russia having had modern technology in its refineries the last 2 decades, there are safety shutdown systems to keep from catastrophic failure. An example of such modern automatic safety shutdown controls was the Shell Norco, LA cat cracker unit explosion of the late 1980's. Because of such safety systems being in place, each process unit in the entire refinery was shutdown in the exact proper sequence thus limiting the damage to a single unit.
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 2:10 pm
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8459 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

The CIA's unapproved and overbearing involvement in other nations


Well at least you recognize this as a reality.

I don't think thats the only reason, BTW. And even that ignores the context of *which* nation and *why*.

quote:

They had absolutely no reason for doing what they did.


So your argument is that they are throwing away thousands of lives and billions of dollars for no reason? Seems kind of like a bad argument.

The important distinction here is that "reasons" =/= "justification".

quote:

This is also BS, for the numerous reasons I've already posted on this forum.



I just don't agree, and thats fine. This may shock some of you, but I don't feel like you have to agree with me or vice versa.
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2313 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 2:06 pm to
Damnit Barron....

Stop showing Trump making the same stupid statement he's made for months when we all know it's BS.

Listen

I can help. Seriously. Just tell me who hired you. Like, put their phone number is a post or something, like this:

RU55IA 5TOPS F3UL SH1PM3NT5 T0 THEIR C1VILI4NS

Something like that. Whatever. It's just an idea.

But nobody here is buying what you're selling except a couple of doofuses. You need a new schtick.

So send me their number, or perhaps your own. Doesn't matter.

We'll make it work.

Da?
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8459 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 2:09 pm to
Just so you're aware, these posts aren't going to make him stop

The whole old thread for a few weeks was basically everyone doing what you're doing now and it didn't phase him at all. I think he actually got worse during that time period.

But the spamming was much worse in the old thread, which is saying something.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 2:22 pm to
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But the spamming was much worse in the old thread, which is saying something.


How do you call it spamming? I actually post War Updates and Information from both Pro Russian Sources and Pro Ukrainian Sources like the New York Times. Most other posters are posting their personal opinions about the War with no links or articles. We also have CitizenK who is able to post his fan fiction stories about associates around the World who have the inside scoop
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2313 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

And even that ignores the context of *which* nation and *why*.


No, it doesn't and I'm not going to go through this again.

quote:

The important distinction here is that "reasons" =/= "justification".


No, it's not. The Russians have neither. The official 'reasons' the Russian government officially put out are complete and total lies. They don't exist, sir:

BS 'reasons' the Russian Government gave for invading the Ukraine

quote:

Just so you're aware, these posts aren't going to make him stop


Dude - I'm trying to set up an interview here. I wanna make bank, too.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16200 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 2:26 pm to
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Madame, you can kiss my right-wing Republican army infantry arse in hell.


I wouldn't paint McCain the same way but in the 2000 primaries I asked a personal friend, Hal Dixon, grew up in Senatobia, MS but then lived in Houma, LA who had been a USMC then Naval fighter pilot, about the rumors of McCain being a traitor. This is when I found out that Hal had flown with McCain in Vietnam. Hal had no issues with anything happening while a POW, "everyone has a breaking point", but did have issues with McCain from personal experience before then. He wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher. Hal was about as solid GOP as could be. I don't know if Hal would have voted for McCain in 2008 because he died from cancer before then.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8459 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

How do you call it spamming? I actually post War Updates and Information from both Pro Russian Sources and Pro Ukrainian Sources like the New York Times


Well the technical term I guess is "You post a frick ton". And personally I find the Russian sources you post to be professional BSers.

quote:

We also have CitizenK who is able to post his fan fiction stories about associates around the World who have the inside scoop


I think I've been a pretty equal opportunity criticizer lol. I also think a lot of the pro-Ukraine shill outlets are BSers as well, but at least they aren't actively trying to weaken America
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8459 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 2:53 pm to
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No, it doesn't and I'm not going to go through this again.



And thats fine that you have that opinion

quote:

No, it's not. The Russians have neither. The official 'reasons' the Russian government officially put out are complete and total lies. They don't exist, sir:


Sorry, but this level of investment from Russia just because the woke up one day and decided to do it for no reason is completely illogical.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42784 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 3:08 pm to
McCain fought for our nation and put his life st risk. I respect him for that.

Politically he was a major disappointment, but that doesn’t take away what he did fighting for the US.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41453 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

McCain fought for our nation and put his life st risk. I respect him for that.


If his dad wasn’t an Admiral he would’ve been kicked out of the military.
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