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re: Landry says 'time to get back to work' ahead of expected remote work changes for employees
Posted on 3/12/25 at 2:52 pm to Oates Mustache
Posted on 3/12/25 at 2:52 pm to Oates Mustache
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It's pretty crazy that with today's tech monitoring on employee laptops, in addition to work product reviews, managers actually managing, that we still have this obsession with people in America being forced into tin cans to work.
We are not talking about the productive state and federal employees which all of that can be true; but employees who are not meeting there production; numbers; miss meeting; have excessive complaints; miss dead lines: I could go on and on. Then they apply for accommodations to work from home when they never meet their standards; targets; cert employees become protected which is very upsetting to an organization good employees who always meet their pro suction and rarely if ever receive valid complaints from customers: other employees etc
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Posted on 3/12/25 at 2:52 pm to Swampcat
But what if you could accommodate a handicapped person so they could work? Better to allow them to work than force them to be on more welfare and have the taxpayers pay even more.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 2:54 pm to Topwater Trout
I could understand some comps being cut for at home work. Like if your work provides you with a vehicle and gas comp then if you work from home that should be cut. But base pay shouldn't be if you are just as productive as you would be in the office. The only exception to this would be if your base pay includes drive time to and from work.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 2:58 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Are you really trying to claim that people who work in an office don't go to doctor appointments?
No, he’s claiming those that work from home do those things without docking PTO/sick leave.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 2:58 pm to theballguy
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But what if you could accommodate a handicapped person so they could work? Better to allow them to work than force them to be on more welfare and have the taxpayers pay even more.
That is what accommodations is all about of course you want to accommodate individuals with disabilities that may require accommodations; that goes without saying; saying that the person is still expected to be able to do the job with those accommodations just like everyone else at that job or who work with that organization.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 2:59 pm to Bigdawgb
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What you're saying is that they have to pay you MORE to get the same productivity as mr. Remote Worker. That doesn't make any sense
Never once said paid more, I said compensation which means the entire package and yes, if a company wants someone and they already live in a certain area and the company offers say a fuel card or car allowance, that should be for the person using it daily, not for someone sitting at home. I see it all the time and have been for 25 years. Both packages should not be equal. You are benefitting in all kinds of ways from a company allowing you to sit in our pajamas all day, going to the gym at lunch, etc. I worked from home from Katrina to 2011 and have been in an office before and after that to present day, i am intimately familiar with both sides.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:08 pm to Bigdawgb
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What job are you referring to??
requires thousands of isometric drawings
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"Easy" has nothing to do with WFH so what are you really trying to say here??
you would have to pick up the sarcasm i used replying to the post i replied to
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:08 pm to whoa
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No, he’s claiming those that work from home do those things without docking PTO/sick leave
You use your PTO/sick leave to go to regular doctors appointments? The only time I take PTO to go to a doctors appointment is if I'm planning to take the whole day off to sped with my wife. Otherwise I just give them the heads up that I'll be missing those meetings then work late to catch up.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:09 pm to back9Tiger
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going to the gym at lunch,
You know people do that when they work in office too right?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:10 pm to BigPerm30
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There is zero accountability for government workers so unless I can put my eyeballs on you my assumption is you are doing close to nothing.
Who's "I" in this case?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:11 pm to Topwater Trout
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People who work remotely do many things they don't do if in an office....mow grass, go grocery shopping, doctors appts etc. I think a person working from home should offer to take a cut in pay, if they are so hell bent on it, they don't have to commute to work, use gas, take as long to get ready etc.
No reason they should be paid the same staying home. And all employees who don't do their job at work or at home should lose their job.
They should get paid for doing their jobs, and not get paid for not doing their jobs. If I'm salaried and can do my job in the office in 40% of the time it takes my co-worker...I'm still sitting on my arse. How is being at home any different? They mow their grass...so what? Are they getting their work done with no overtime? If yes, then who gives a flying flip what else they are doing with their time?
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:15 pm to PhtevenWithaV
Yea it doesn’t work like this in government work. That would be considered payroll fraud.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:18 pm to whoa
You sure about that? Might want to take a look at it. I worked for the state a decade or so ago. A bit more paperwork required there but you can take time off from a government job without using PTO or sick leave, you just won't get paid.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:23 pm to whoa
I do give you kudos though for managing to never have to deal with a coworker on intermittent fmla
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:24 pm to PhtevenWithaV
Or I could just not commit payroll fraud and enter in an hour of sick leave for a doctors appointment AND get paid 
The problem is the WFH folks that are not entering any kind of time AND still getting paid for non-working matters like doctor appointments. That is fraud.
The problem is the WFH folks that are not entering any kind of time AND still getting paid for non-working matters like doctor appointments. That is fraud.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:27 pm to PhtevenWithaV
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I do give you kudos though for managing to never have to deal with a coworker on intermittent fmla
100%
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:29 pm to madmaxvol
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They should get paid for doing their jobs, and not get paid for not doing their jobs. If I'm salaried and can do my job in the office in 40% of the time it takes my co-worker...I'm still sitting on my arse. How is being at home any different? They mow their grass...so what? Are they getting their work done with no overtime? If yes, then who gives a flying flip what else they are doing with their time?
the important thing to remember is IF you were hired to do a job that was to come into an office you shouldn't be bitching that you should be allowed to work from home. I think this is going over some people's heads in this thread that appear to be sensitive about it. Go find a WFH job if your employer is saying come back into the office now.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:44 pm to PhtevenWithaV
FMLA isn’t the same as going to a doctors appointment.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 3:46 pm to Topwater Trout
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the important thing to remember is IF you were hired to do a job that was to come into an office you shouldn't be bitching that you should be allowed to work from home. I think this is going over some people's heads in this thread that appear to be sensitive about it. Go find a WFH job if your employer is saying come back into the office now.
But...if you weren't hired to do a job that was to come into an office...but you are now being forced to come into an office, regardless of any lost efficiencies, then you should be bitching.
But I get your point. You are saying that butts in seats are more important than throughput or profitability. Got it!
Posted on 3/12/25 at 4:01 pm to madmaxvol
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But I get your point. You are saying that butts in seats are more important than throughput or profitability. Got it!
I have a brother and brother-in-law that WFH. I know for a fact (because I'm retried) that they do random shite most of the day, then lock themselves away about time for the wife and kids to come home
One is in teleradiology that usually reads his last scans about bedtime to meet his productivity goal
translation: someone is sitting their arse in the ER until he gets around to it. His arrogant arse makes sure the job is done on his time, not company hours. The in-house guys get shite done by end of shift, so they can get out of there
In fact, they make a point of not applying for in-house postings, so they open them up to telework eventually
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