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re: Kim Potter charged with manslaughter

Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

wouldnt there be a "conscious risk" everytime a cop pulled someone over?
or every time you took a drive. So "risk" would fall into "above and beyond" the ordinary.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:49 pm to
You are such a liar.

She's a hero.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162921 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:50 pm to
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Context: Second-degree manslaughter carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $20,000 fine, according to Minnesota law.
Posted by ChuckO1975
Member since Feb 2021
1292 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:51 pm to
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Kim Potter charged with manslaughter


She could have been at home, raising children, and bouncing grandchildren on her hip, maybe sharing recipes with her neighbors.

Instead, she's out on the streets chasing violent criminals for meager paycheck. This is what liberalism does to our women, children, and families.

Don't get caught up on the petty details. Focus on the core of this issue.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9073 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:54 pm to
What is the penalty for manslaughter in MN? And how might a plea go, if the prosecution accepted one?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135727 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:55 pm to
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I could make a case for first degree murder.
Sweetheart, you've yet to make a case for anything on this forum, much less in court. When challenged you disappear.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
34178 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:56 pm to
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Here is the statute:


At least someone posted the ACTUAL MN Statute applicable rather than simply relying on Wikipedia legal research as to the general definition of Manslaughter...which is statutorily different from state to state.

Below are the general jury instructions guide re: 2nd Degree Manslaughter in Minnesota:

quote:

First, the death of must be proven.


[1] Second, the defendant caused the death of , by culpable negligence, whereby the defendant created an unreasonable risk and consciously took a chance of causing death or great bodily harm. “To cause” means to be a substantial causal factor in causing the [death]. The defendant is criminally liable for all the consequences of (his) (her) actions that occur in the ordinary and natural course of events, including those consequences brought about by one or more intervening causes, if such intervening causes were the natural result of the defendant's acts. The fact that other causes contribute to the [death] does not relieve the defendant of criminal liability. However, the defendant is not criminally liable if a “superseding cause” caused the [death]. A “superseding cause” is a cause that comes after the defendant's acts, alters the natural sequence of events, and produces a result that would not otherwise have occurred. “Culpable negligence” is intentional conduct that the defendant may not have intended to be harmful, but that an ordinary and reasonably prudent person would recognize as involving a strong probability of injury to others. “Great bodily harm” means bodily injury that creates a high probability of death, or causes serious permanent disfigurement, or causes a permanent or protracted loss or impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ or other serious bodily harm.


We have a death, so no issue with the first element.

The officer presumably was conscious and knowingly reached for a weapon (purportedly a taser) to use on the deceased. However, it is likely the issues that will be argued are did she commit "culpable negligence" and consciously take a chance of causing "great bodily harm"?

"Culpable negligence" is not precisely defined. It is greater than just ordinary negligence, and some argue greater than gross negligence. It has also been referred to by some Minnesota courts as involving a “gross lack of competency,” “wanton indifference to … safety,” “recklessness with regard to the safety of others,” “disregard of the consequences” and “gross negligence with an implication of recklessness.

With that as the backdrop, was it above recklessness for her to accidently grab her gun rather than taser in that situation? Maybe. Maybe not. That's for a jury to decide.

There may also be an issue of if she consciously took a chance of causing death or great bodily harm? They could possible argue that while she consciously meant to grab her taser, she didn't consciously mean to grab her gun (and is it reckless for a cop not to be able to distinguish between the two?). Is a taser seen as something know to reasonable men as being able to cause "great bodily harm"...as set forth in the instructions? Maybe not. A gun certainly is capable of causing death and great bodily harm, but did she knowingly take the chance of doing so by mistakenly grabbing her gun rather than taser?

I admittedly haven't followed this case all that closely. But aside from a "self defense" argument (which I don't know if she has here) it sounds like her defense is that she accidently grabbed her gun while trying to grab her taser, right? I think use of a taser would probably be held reasonable in this situation. But is it culpable negligence for a professional, trained, police officer to make that mistake?
Posted by Kriegschwein
Alemania
Member since Feb 2015
855 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:56 pm to
10 max.

But the prosecutor may not accept a plea with reduced sentence.

The crowd may turn on them if they do t get the max sentence.

But if they lose, they may get voted out.

Terrible situation for everyone.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:09 pm to
Finally a DA who doesn’t over charge to please the media
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7590 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 5:30 pm to
First degree would be extremely difficult to win but I would make that case backed by lesser included charges.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7590 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 5:32 pm to
Did you offer a challenge? No, you did not.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 5:37 pm to
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Going to be hard to convince me that simply pulling the wrong weapon means you are guilty of a crime.





twenty years on the force and you cant remember which holster your pistol is?

quick, grab the taser.

she should plead guilty.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9036 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 5:43 pm to
The Taser and Pistol both have the same grip. Without looking at your hand...hard to tell which is which.

She shouts "Taser Taser Taser" for the fellow officers to clear a path. When clear, pulled the trigger.

The only thing she uttered after the shot was "I shot him"

Funny, a damned gun has a vastly different sound than a Taser fired. She didn't know until after the shot sounded. It's that simple.

The only thing I could hang a hat on ....The weight difference between a fully loaded pistol versus a Taser with a fully charged battery ...

Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94814 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 5:46 pm to
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Funny, a damned gun has a vastly different sound than a Taser fired. She didn't know until after the shot sounded. It's that simple.




And the recoil. Recoil is different (I'm assuming her weapon was a Glock 17/19 or M&P in 9mm).

Way different.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42124 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 5:48 pm to
I know it’s easy in hindsight to say this. But instead of shooting him. Shoot out the tires. Put some in the engine of a handgun will even do anything there.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:14 pm to
Lol shut up
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:16 pm to
quote:

The only thing I could hang a hat on ....The weight difference between a fully loaded pistol versus a Taser with a fully charged battery ...


That doesn’t matter in that kind of tense moment. You won’t feel the difference of MAYBE 10 ounces
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:18 pm to
It was an accident that also warranted a response with taser. Taser wasn’t deployed and a gun was by accident. Clearly wanted to do taser as she yelled out the command. Showed remorse immediately. No charges should stick but she should lose her job and never work in police work again.
Posted by ChanceOfRainIsNever
Far from Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2764 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 7:21 pm to
quote:

Potter loved the second that she fired the fatal shot and she loved every minute while the young man died.


Loved inviting all this hate & criminal liability on herself and her family I bet. Idiot
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33002 posts
Posted on 4/14/21 at 7:32 pm to
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Potter loved the second that she fired the fatal shot and she loved every minute while the young man died.
Holy shite.

I hope you die a very slow and painful death from arse cancer.
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