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re: Just four honest questions for all you "The election was stolen" people. Truly, I ask this

Posted on 5/27/21 at 5:51 pm to
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17244 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 5:51 pm to
Must be, considering I would doubt the highest officials of Arizona and Georgia would be in on it since they are Republicans.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109289 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 5:53 pm to
You don’t think the establishment Republicans wanted to get rid of Trump?

Oh my sweet summer child.
Posted by This guy larry
Behind U
Member since Dec 2017
668 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 5:55 pm to
quote:

Democrats cheated


Plus the republicans/all of the swamp cheated!

To me there is no left or right, republican or democrat! They’re all equally trash!
They plotted against the American people!
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
25322 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 5:56 pm to
If you voted for JOE BIDEN, you are an idiot!
Posted by Jumbo_Gumbo
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2015
5968 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 5:57 pm to
#1, except now with the EVIDENCE coming out, we are vindicated in what used to be an assumption by many. It’s no longer an assumption and if you think election fraud didn’t happen, you are either completely retarded, or extremely naive.
Posted by TriedtosignuponceB4
Member since May 2021
257 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 5:57 pm to
I'm going to go on the assumption that you are asking an honest question, so here goes. And I know full well I'm gonna gets tons of downvotes on this one.

First, by way of background: I am a lifelong Republican. Wrote in in 2016; it was far from the first time that I have voted against a Republican nominee, but it was the first time I had ever voted against a Republican *presidential* nominee. I found Biden/Harris a scarier ticket than Clinton/Kaine, so I did vote for Trump in 2020.

So: no, I don't think the election was "stolen," in the sense that even if zero fraudulent votes had been counted, I believe Biden would have won.

Yes, I do think there's a lot of truth in options 1 and 2. The changes in the rules in option 2 were problematic. And regarding option 1, when people claim definitively that there was ZERO vote fraud in any presidential election, then in the words of old Bill Shakespeare I think they are protesting too much.

But, I don't think that vote fraud ultimately tipped the scales in the electoral college.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
47864 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 5:57 pm to
Polls shutting down and reopened in am had "monkey business" going on.

Votes were dumped

The numbers were all Trump until they magically flipped.

DC sux and power is a drug to these idiots
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17244 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 5:59 pm to
I don't believe that could be pulled off because too many localities would be involved since the elections are run by the locals. Someone would have minutes of some meeting where this was all plotted out, an email instructing people on how to change results in computers, etc. Nothing like that has come out. We have some results that have come out that some are questioning, but no evidence of coordinated fraud activity. Like I said, too many people would have to be involved to pull it off. Not possible.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44320 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:12 pm to
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Those states include Florida, Texas, Ohio, Kentucky, Maine, and North and South Carolina. What do you think?


I say that we audit ALL frickING 50!

Posted by mightyMick
Member since Aug 2018
3067 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:13 pm to
Audits are the final word in election results. Each valid vote is confirmed with a chain of custody based ballot and verifiable voter information. Audits weed out the illegal "votes". I'll accept what the AZ audit has to say about the AZ election, will dims party voters accept it too?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44320 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:14 pm to
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87411 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:15 pm to
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Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
48430 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:17 pm to
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I say that we audit ALL frickING 50!


Why stop at 50? Let's audit all 57 states!
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44320 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:20 pm to
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What? No correction for your false allegation?

Are you a member of the MSM?


Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:24 pm to
quote:

I say that we audit ALL frickING 50!

Agreed. The problem here was that Trump was unprepared. He should have had a strategy and lawyers lined up to ask for audits. But he didn’t. His plan was to get a case to the Supreme Court and have them overturn the election.

If the audits were predetermined they could be done and not upset the transition dates. Also would cut down/out widespread organized cheating.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55664 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:26 pm to
Fallacy every where:


quote:

Please look at the media that is reporting this. I don't see anything but right wing sites. One site is even labeled "welovetrump.com". When a non-conservative outlet or a trustworthy/mainstream one like the Wall Street Journal or the NYPost or someone like that reports it, I will read it. Not worth it to do so right now. I mean welovetrump.com? That's a source?



Just because you do not like a website or news outlet, it doesn't make it not factual. That is called an ad hominem fallacy.

However, you have plenty to go on. You simply ignore it.

quote:

I went to google and typed in literally what you wrote. Machines in multiple states are being show to ignore republican votes.

Same deal. Just conservatives talking to each other and in a few cases liberals talking to each other. When it hits the courts or something more mainstream, I will pay attention. Oh and many of the claims being made about machines miscounting are from the beginning of 2020 or earlier. Before the election.



You are so wrong. This literally just happened in PA in the primary.

You also know that this was what happened in Windham County.

This is not a fallacy. This is you becoming a liar.

The Fayette County Bureau of Elections told KDKA, a local CBS affiliate, that several precincts were having difficulty scanning bar codes on all ballots, and several voters told the outlet that their Republican ballots were not accepted. Chris Varney, an elections judge, told the outlet the issue was initially believed to be affecting all ballots, but officials then determined the problem only affected Republican ballots.


Turns out it was in all 77 precincts.

quote:

Well, I didn't ignore them, so there you go.



Yeah you did.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55664 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:27 pm to
quote:

Wouldn't that be federalizing the election?

The Republicans oppose that.




No, it wouldn't be. Good lord man.

States know how to do a legit audit and a fake arse sample where they pick and choose.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55664 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:29 pm to
quote:

So the states will audit what the states have just done.

Like a kid grading his own homework.




Wrong. You can not be this ignorant.

The state legislatures make the laws. The laws are carried out by counties and election boards.

The state can order a forensic and independent audit of what happened in every county.

Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17244 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:33 pm to
Both Democratic and Republican votes were rejected, it was not just GOP votes.
Posted by OldCat55
Member since Apr 2021
754 posts
Posted on 5/27/21 at 6:34 pm to
You’re good. 4 ‘honest’ questions using only 1 “?”.
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