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re: Just curious as to who believes in aliens/UFOs coverup
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:06 pm to kingbob
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:06 pm to kingbob
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If this one is a hoax, at least it's getting looked at by real academics, scientists, and journalists.
I always found it very interesting that astronomer Dr. J. Allen Hynek was hired by the US Air Force to debunk all UFO sightings as something that can be scientifically explained and he made the famous, "it is just swamp gas" explanation then he changed his mind and became one of the first scientists to say publicly that UFOs are real and not from this planet.
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In response to numerous reports of "flying saucers", the United States Air Force established Project Sign in 1948 to examine sightings of unidentified flying objects. Hynek was contacted to act as a scientific consultant to Project Sign. He studied UFO reports and decided whether the phenomena described therein suggested known astronomical objects.
When Project Sign hired Hynek, he was skeptical of UFO reports. Hynek suspected that they were made by unreliable witnesses, or by persons who had misidentified man-made or natural objects. In 1948, Hynek said that "the whole subject seems utterly ridiculous," and described it as a fad that would soon pass.
For the first few years of his UFO studies, Hynek could safely be described as a debunker. He thought that a great many UFOs could be explained as prosaic phenomena misidentified by an observer. In his 1977 book, Hynek admitted that he enjoyed his role as a debunker for the Air Force. He also noted that debunking was what the Air Force expected of him.
Change of opinion
Hynek's opinions about UFOs began a slow and gradual shift. After examining hundreds of UFO reports over the decades (including some made by credible witnesses, including astronomers, pilots, police officers, and military personnel), Hynek concluded that some reports represented genuine empirical evidence.
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:11 pm to BigAppleBucky
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Until humans figure out a way to travel faster than light, I will find it very difficult to take any reports of space aliens near Earth seriously.
What if they are not coming from outer space but from a parallel universe?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:21 pm to IceTiger
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The Peruvian skulls were DNA tested...first release info was that they weren't human/of earth...
Now the claim is the test was botched
The Peruvian "alien" mummy was just recently discovered and as far as I know the tests on it haven't been completed yet.
I started a thread about it in PT when its discovery was first announced.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:31 pm to Strophie
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Maybe it's crazy but how do you explain that we do not know how the Great Pyramid was built?
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What's that supposed to mean?
Are you saying the Great Pyramid was built by black slaves?
If you are then explain how they made it.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:37 pm to SundayFunday
I believe in the power of clowns and Godzilla. Aliens, not so much.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:37 pm to DarthTiger
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Every oddity in the sky has been man-made or is naturally occuring imo.
Not according to Dr. J. Allen Hynek who first believed the same thing you believe and was hired by the Air Force to debunk all UFO sightings but changed his mind after investigating hundreds of sightings.
Check out the post I made about him at the top of this page..
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:45 pm to rebeloke
I believe 1% to 2% is probably a fair figure as to the number of actual alien sightings. There are too many reputable sightings for all of them to be false. That's my story, and I'm stickin' with it!
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:47 pm to rebeloke
I do.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:54 pm to kingbob
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However, I do think the U.S. government used alien conspiracy theories to explain away civilian sightings of classified experimental aircraft.
That's what I think as well. Better to have people chasing phantom extraterrestrial ships than allowing highly sensitive projects to be exposed.
I don't believe we are alone in the universe, though.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:54 pm to steadytiger
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I believe 1% to 2% is probably a fair figure as to the number of actual alien sightings. There are too many reputable sightings for all of them to be false. That's my story, and I'm stickin' with it!
I wonder how many more sightings of UFOs would be reported by reputable people if people weren't called crazy when they report a sighting.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:06 pm to BigAppleBucky
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Until humans figure out a way to travel faster than light, I will find it very difficult to take any reports of space aliens near Earth seriously
Back in the 90's, the head of Skunk Works admitted we had the ability to bring ET home.
Dr Greer is not a shill....disinfo agents exists to discredit certain people who get close to the truth.
There is a reason the History Channel for the last 5 years have been pushing Alien this, Alien that. Its a step toward disclosure.
An announcement will be made soon that an ultra secret space program does exists with space stations equipped with unannounced advanced technology we back engineered.
And that is just the beginning of things humanity will witness very soon, because you can't just open disclosure just a LITTLE bit.
Too many whistleblowers will come out of hiding with major evidence. The major news/media outlets have knowledge of all this already. Only, they are scared of being branded conspiracy kooks and lose credibility.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:06 pm to northshorebamaman
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However, I do think the U.S. government used alien conspiracy theories to explain away civilian sightings of classified experimental aircraft.
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That's what I think as well.
If that were true for every UFO seen then some of the UFOs that did amazing maneuvers which were seen over forty years ago would definitely be used on the battlefield today and for defense.
What's your explanation why we aren't using those UFOs today on the battlefield and for defense?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:08 pm to DawgfaninCa
The problem with science is that it is only interested in what it can see measure touch and feel, i.e. there is a huge anti-supernatural bias. For instance science is not concerned with where mater came from. It is just assumed to have always been there, even though that is impossible due to the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:11 pm to 3Son
quote:this is not exactly a secret any more, but it does not have anything to do with non-existent life in the physical universe...it will be made to LOOK like ET, but it is something far worse than fantasy aliens
An announcement will be made soon that an ultra secret space program does exists with space stations equipped with unannounced advanced technology we back engineered.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:17 pm to burdhead
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An announcement will be made soon that an ultra secret space program does exists with space stations equipped with unannounced advanced technology we back engineered.
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this is not exactly a secret any more, but it does not have anything to do with non-existent life in the physical universe...it will be made to LOOK like ET, but it is something far worse than fantasy aliens
Can you be a little more specific?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:19 pm to DawgfaninCa
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What's your explanation why we aren't using those UFOs today on the battlefield and for defense?
In some cases we are. See Skunkworks. Other platforms have probably proved impractible.
What do you think the average person would have thought this was had they seen it flying above Nevada in 1978?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:24 pm to DawgfaninCa
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What's your explanation why we aren't using those UFOs today on the battlefield and for defense?
Because it would expose we (shadow govt) have had ET technology hidden from humanity since the 50's.
All the major players (oligarchs) use hidden info for control. they are, will, lose their grip when the drip, drip of disclosure grows.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:27 pm to 3Son
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Too many whistleblowers will come out of hiding with major evidence. The major news/media outlets have knowledge of all this already. Only, they are scared of being branded conspiracy kooks and lose credibility.
So CNN doesn't have the information?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:32 pm to DawgfaninCa
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In a 1985 interview, when asked what caused his change of opinion, Hynek responded, "Two things, really. One was the completely negative and unyielding attitude of the Air Force. They wouldn't give UFOs the chance of existing, even if they were flying up and down the street in broad daylight. Everything had to have an explanation. I began to resent that, even though I basically felt the same way, because I still thought they weren't going about it in the right way. You can't assume that everything is black no matter what. Secondly, the caliber of the witnesses began to trouble me. Quite a few instances were reported by military pilots, for example, and I knew them to be fairly well-trained, so this is when I first began to think that, well, maybe there was something to all this."
Notice how he said his opinion did not change based on anything verifiable or concrete, just that he had reports of sighting from people he considered high caliber.
His first reason for opinion change was he felt the airforce was negative and unyielding to further investigate anecdotal sightings and he would go about it differently.
I agree with his sentiment about not assuming black and white no matter what. But if I were the airforce I would want some kind of explanation from a scientist to justify studies other than, I trust quite a few people that reported sightings.
much more likely than UFOs would be the airforce was testing stuff that pilots reporting sightings of were not aware were being tested, and thought, well Im a trained military pilot I have not seen something quite like this before and I don't know how to explain it because I have not seen something quite like this before. I would imagine a good study on the efficacy of your air crafts cloaking/detection innovations would be to test it on well trained pilots.
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