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re: Just curious as to who believes in aliens/UFOs coverup
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:39 am to CoachDon
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:39 am to CoachDon
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As to the OP, I agree with those who suggest that the UFOs we see are probably government/military made.
Neil Armstrong & Edwin Aldrin
According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong, the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon. According to un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard. According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange:
NASA: Whats there?
Mission Control calling Apollo 11...
Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous!
OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it!
I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there,
Lined up on the far side of the crater edge!
They're on the Moon watching us!
A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?
Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known
there was a possibility, the fact is, we were
warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any
question then of a space station or a moon city.
Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?
Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their
ships were far superior to ours both in size and
technology - Boy, were they big! and menacing!
No, there is no question of a space station.
Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?
Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and
couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a
quick scoop and back again.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 9:40 am
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:40 am to CoachDon
quote:
As to the OP, I agree with those who suggest that the UFOs we see are probably government/military made.
Maurice Chatelain
In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. Chatelain believes that some UFOs may come from our own solar system, specifically Titan. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now." "...all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence." "I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public. It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words." The rumors persist. NASA may well be a civilian agency, but many of its programs are funded by the defence budget and most of the astronauts are subject to military security regulations. Apart from the fact that the National Security Agency screens all films and probably radio communications as well. We have the statements by Otto Binder, Dr. Garry Henderson and Maurice Chatelain that the astronauts were under strict orders not to discuss their sightings. And Gordon Cooper has testified to a United Nations committee that one of the astronauts actually witnessed a UFO on the ground. If there is no secrecy, why has this sighting not been made public?
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:56 am to CoachDon
A). This could still be government/military made.
B). If it isn't, I ask again: why would advanced beings bother with a place as primitive as Earth?
B). If it isn't, I ask again: why would advanced beings bother with a place as primitive as Earth?
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:57 am to TX Tiger
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As to the OP, I agree with those who suggest that the UFOs we see are probably government/military made.
Give me a break.
The government isn't going to fly super secret aircraft capable of doing incredible flight patterns over cities and other public places where they will be seen by members of the populace.
That would be contrary to wanting those super secret aircraft to remain secret so our enemies will not know they exist and can be used against them.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:16 am to DawgfaninCa
quote:Well, they have to be tested somehow. And if chasing UFOs keeps people distracted from the arse-fricking they're getting from the establishment, all the better.
As to the OP, I agree with those who suggest that the UFOs we see are probably government/military made.
Give me a break.
The government isn't going to fly super secret aircraft capable of doing incredible flight patterns over cities and other public places where they will be seen by members of the populace.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:20 am to TX Tiger
I tend to operate under the assumption that non Earth based intelligence probably has visited Earth.
However, I also operate under the assumption that such an intelligence would be more than capable of evading detection.
I mean heck, we're toying with stealth tech now to include trying to make things invisible to visual detection and we can't even get a man to Mars yet.
I suspect that an intelligence that comfortably traveled to Earth from outside our solar system has probably figured out how to toy with 21st century detection efforts to INCLUDE line of sight.
However, I also operate under the assumption that such an intelligence would be more than capable of evading detection.
I mean heck, we're toying with stealth tech now to include trying to make things invisible to visual detection and we can't even get a man to Mars yet.
I suspect that an intelligence that comfortably traveled to Earth from outside our solar system has probably figured out how to toy with 21st century detection efforts to INCLUDE line of sight.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:29 am to ShortyRob
quote:Good point. I agree, which brings me back to government/military made.
I tend to operate under the assumption that non Earth based intelligence probably has visited Earth.
However, I also operate under the assumption that such an intelligence would be more than capable of evading detection.
I mean heck, we're toying with stealth tech now to include trying to make things invisible to visual detection and we can't even get a man to Mars yet.
I suspect that an intelligence that comfortably traveled to Earth from outside our solar system has probably figured out how to toy with 21st century detection efforts to INCLUDE line of sight.
I believe people have seen things. I never have, but I know people who claim they have.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 1:04 pm to ShortyRob
Reasonable stance. I think most sightings have terrestrial explanations.. but some do not. I expect NASA or the EU to announce that primitive life has been found in our solar system sometime in the next decade.
Anyone watch Unacknowledged?
Anyone watch Unacknowledged?
Posted on 8/3/17 at 7:26 pm to TX Tiger
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The government isn't going to fly super secret aircraft capable of doing incredible flight patterns over cities and other public places where they will be seen by members of the populace.
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Well, they have to be tested somehow.
From what witnesses have described seeing UFOs do, if they were ours, there would be no need to test them over our skies. They already would be being used to defeat our enemies over their skies.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:11 pm to DawgfaninCa
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From what witnesses have described seeing UFOs do
Convenient that sightings of UFOs went down once everyone started carrying a handheld video camera on their person.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:31 am to BamaAtl
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Convenient that sightings of UFOs went down once everyone started carrying a handheld video camera on their person.
UFO sightings haven't gone down and everyone isn't always carrying a handheld video camera on their person.
I doubt that you have ever even taken the time to read about any of the purported UFO sightings to find out what the witnesses claim they saw.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:35 am to DawgfaninCa
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Give me a break.
Oh, now, now you're incredulous. Sea monsters, alien technology in ancient times, super advanced civilizations in ancient times, etc., are all OK, but the government testing a top secret aircraft is where you draw the line. 
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:40 am to DawgfaninCa
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doubt that you have ever even taken the time to read about any of the purported UFO sightings to find out what the witnesses claim they saw.
Mostly just lights. There is zero evidence that life exists outside of Earth. ZERO. People believe what they want to believe.
I'm not saying there isn't life outside of Earth, but there is currently ZERO evidence that there is.
LINK
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:42 am to rebeloke
Practically all Religious people believe in Aliens
Posted on 8/4/17 at 10:06 am to Mo Jeaux
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Oh, now, now you're incredulous. Sea monsters, alien technology in ancient times, super advanced civilizations in ancient times, etc., are all OK, but the government testing a top secret aircraft is where you draw the line.
The government testing top secret aircraft is not what's incredulous.
What's incredulous is that you want me and others to believe the government would test top secret aircraft over densely populated areas where the top secret aircraft will be seen doing "impossible" things by many people.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 8/4/17 at 10:16 am to Enadious
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Mostly just lights.
What about the reported sightings that aren't "just lights"?
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There is zero evidence that life exists outside of Earth. ZERO. People believe what they want to believe.
I'm not saying there isn't life outside of Earth, but there is currently ZERO evidence that there is.
Is seeing with your own eyes a UFO making impossible movements in the sky evidence?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 10:19 am to DawgfaninCa
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Is seeing with your own eyes a UFO making impossible movements in the sky evidence?
Have you seen this?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 10:32 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Is seeing with your own eyes a UFO making impossible movements in the sky evidence?
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Have you seen this?
I'm not talking about what I have or haven't seen.
I'm just being the Devil's Advocate.
I'm asking him if he would consider seeing a UFO making impossible movements in the sky evidence.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/4/17 at 10:56 am to DawgfaninCa
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Is seeing with your own eyes a UFO making impossible movements in the sky evidence?
No, it's only evidence of a craft capable of making such maneuvers. You are assuming they are alien. You have ZERO proof of that. People believe what they want to believe.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 10:57 am to Enadious
And, I've seen UFOs in the day. Can't explain what they were, but no proof they were alien.
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