re: Just curious as to who believes in aliens/UFOs coverup

Just read this entire thread, interesting discussion.

dcbl, have you ever read A Canticle for Liebowitz? I read it in a Science Fiction Lit class, really quite interesting, and the basis of the book is the theory you espouse. Multiple, repeating societies that bomb themselves back to the Stone Age, only to reform over millenia. In that book they have monks entrusted to safeguarding and preserving knowledge, but that fades away over the ages... blueprints were kept and copied, but over the years, they become mere abstract art to the monks, who embellish the designs to make them prettier.
BTW, good science fiction is just that, fiction extrapolated from science... not fantasy.

Can't speak to the notion of sea serpents (and lack of evidence thereof), but if you have an invertebrate, odds are the body would decay and leave little remains; and various carrion eaters would likely handle the rest. A giant worm or cephalopod of some sort might rarely be seen, maybe centuries between carcasses are actually washed ashore intact. If it's a deep-water creature and somehow surfaces, and the body isn't rigid enough, it could literally burst from the pressure change.

Re aliens ancient and otherwise, I think it arrogant to suggest there aren't any, and pretty unlikely to think they've been here within our lifetime (or the lifetime of our species).

But saying that, and shouting that alien life somehow threatens our religious faith... you have to consider that whatever else these ancient texts are, they were WRITTEN DOWN by the hand of a man thousands of years ago. Any description would be colored by that man's own experience and knowledge.
Imagine going back even 500 yrs, and showing someone an Ipad, and then Facetime with someone. And then leaving the scene in a helicoptor, or better yet, a Harrier. That shite would be mind-blowing and magical to the native population then, let alone 5, 10 thousand years ago.
Hell, that shite would be mind-blowing to some South American tribes today.

Occam's Razor is a good starting point, but it isn't always the correct answer; we all probably have our own exceptions in various parts of life every year, where the simplest answer is definitely NOT what actually occurred at the time. And no one who appreciates the scientific approach should ever say that something is 100% FALSE, even if you go through the pains of systematically disproving each point through research and trials...

an ancient civilization could have existed, and been obliterated. They might have been more environmentally conscious, and used biodegradable materials for what they could. Cellulose would be gone by now, and I've read that there is work in this field that shows cellulose nanocrystals have the same tensile strength as steel. We haven't gotten this far yet as a society, but somebody's working on it at Purdue, and I'm guessing a few other places. And if/when we get to that point, I doubt we leave places like Cleveland around in it's current condition, things would be rebuilt and beautified. And who knows, old statues and relics of the dirty past might be pulled down, ala the Nola statues...
Point being, there's possible answers as to why no hard evidence has been found of an ancient advanced civilization.

Regarding the aircraft flying by mind control... we have eye-tracking devices right now: google Tobii. If you can do something with a mouse and a touchscreen, you can do it with your eyes. If you can 'fly by wire', you don't need a strong hand to move a joystick or flight control device, you just need to set up the correct interface.
If you saw someone today sit basically motionless, hands perhaps in lap, and operate... anything... simply by looking intently, you'd SWEAR it was mind control, or something along those lines (after being convinced it wasn't a hoax). But we've all played computer games, flight simulators etc, with just a mouse and a keyboard... so that theoretically is within reach very soon. Just need the correct GUI.

A civilization perhaps 100 years more advanced than we are very likely would have access to both these developments, and could easily be in the process of cleaning up it's footprint on the planet so less waste is present. And still, being "human", have the inherent tendency to kill each other over things. And that's not taking into account a big comet strike or similar, which eventually does happen time and again.

Regarding the loss of knowledge and tech; if most of the planet's population died off right now, can YOU teach the survivors the way to make new Iphones, send satellites into orbit, build nuclear reactors?
Heck, can you build a car from scratch, and find oil/refine gasoline?
All of that might be gone, and within a few generations it would be history, a few more and it would just be legend.

Dang, I went long there- sorry

There are aliens, not known if they've ever come to earth. On the fence about coverups.

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the answer is in the bible....genesis 6....use your head and think

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This verse implies the Lord was not all knowing?

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To me, the city found in India with radiation & people frozen in place; coupled with a description of nuclear fallout in an ancient Indian text is fraky

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It's also bullshite. People want to believe 'fantastic things' and make excuses to delude themselves. The more educated you become, the more you see through real eyes.

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if we can't figure out how some ancient people built the Great Pyramid then that means those ancient people were intellectually superior to the people living today.

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All it really tells us is that they were far superior to us in working with and building with stone. The Bill Gates/Mark Zuckerbergs of that time would have been working with stone and on mechanics that involved building with stone. The smartest people in the world today don't, so it's possible that humans lost the knowhow over time

That being said, I believe it is a certainty that there is intelligent life besides us in the universe. I just don't think the building of the Pyramids is the smoking gun evidence that they have visited us in the past. It's possible though

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if we can't figure out how some ancient people built the Great Pyramid then that means those ancient people were intellectually superior to the people living today.

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All it really tells us is that they were far superior to us in working with and building with stone. The Bill Gates/Mark Zuckerbergs of that time would have been working with stone and on mechanics that involved building with stone. The smartest people in the world today don't, so it's possible that humans lost the knowhow over time

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Since today we do not know how the Great Pyramid was built using only the known tools ancient people had at that time then that means either we do not have the knowledge an ancient civilization had in order to build the Great Pyramid using those tools or an ancient civilization had the use of other unknown highly advanced tools which they used to build the Great Pyramid.

If we had a smaller government we probably would have already made contact and have extensive trade benefiting both sides.

But the Dems would probably F it up with import and export taxes.

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I assert that I am more educated than you because I have read more books and done more research regarding UFOs and the evidence for highly advanced ancient civilizations than you have.

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If they're anything like some of the other sources that are being posted in this thread, I'd say you're wasting your time.

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Then tell me exactly how it was built.

I'll be anxiously awaiting your explanation.

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There's an entire wikipedia entry on this.

How dumb are you that you can't even find something so widely known that wikipedia's picked it up?

I mean, we all know you're dumb as shite...but man, google.com is not that hard of a website to find.