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Posted on 6/27/20 at 4:37 pm to victoire sécurisé
Sounds like you got your education at a typical, liberal school or university.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 4:40 pm to tduecen
I can’t believe there are still people alive who believe this. Read the Cornerstone speech or the declaration of secession from virtually every state.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 4:41 pm to tduecen
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The call of slavery was the government's justification to assume more power in the United States
History is repeating itself at the moment where many things are changing overnight due to Mr. Floyd's death....some for the good, most for the bad.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 4:43 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Why fight a war over slavery if Lincoln said he wouldnt interfere?
They didn’t believe him...read the letters of secession...read about the fire eaters, specifically Edmund Ruffin. The war was about slavery, period.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 4:45 pm to Big Scrub TX
Austin, TX.....all I need to know about your views.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 4:46 pm to cwill
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The war was about slavery, period.
In new territories, not the South.
And that ultimately came down a belief about state's rights.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 4:53 pm to SidewalkTiger
Just remember that his(story) is always written by the victors which was the North in this case. Gotta believe they were more than eager to distort the facts to make themselves look better.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 4:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Plus I've heard that Mississippi was home to over half the US millionaires. Mississippi was the wealthiest state in the Union & 6 of the richest 10 states in 1860 were Confederats states. Northen Industrialists picking on poor Southerners.
Like 75% of the wealth in America was concentrated in the South back then.
Yeah. The poor ol' south. They just wanted to be left alone to abuse their wealth in private.
" Slave Power" spoken of by John Quincy Adams & others was real considering the South's Over representation( 3/5th compromise) in Congress. When Anti slavery candidate Lincoln was able to win the Presidency without a single Southern state they realized their power was fading. They wanted to take their ball & go home . They seceded .
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:04 pm to sugar71
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Northen Industrialists picking on poor Southerners.
Literally never seen anyone say this.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:15 pm to Pianoman
Everything you read on the Civil War revolves around the right to own slaves. They tried to write it out in the 14th amendment and by outlawing the African slave trade, but the amendment had a loophole, saying involuntary servitude wasn't allowed unless convicted by a crime. Well all of the sudden you had a ton of new offenses towards blacks, black codes, with stuff like "not showing proper respect" which left blacks with hardly any defense and amounted to the same thing.
The only thing you can really argue is that a lot of the north didn't oppose it because of some moral high ground. Most of them thought it hindered economic progress and wanted it abolished. Some just hated the south so much they would vote against it even if they had no issue with slavery. A lot of it, especially with Lincoln, held to the notion of a contradiction that if all men were created equal, then no man should be allowed to own another. But then most southerners didn't feel blacks were equal at all to whites (see the aforementioned Cornerstone Speech). Also, read about the nastiness that happened between Missouri and Kansas just before the war.
The south was so gung ho about slavery that they led several unsuccessful filibusters, or invasions, to Cuba and Central America, so they could claim those lands as slave territories and expand their reach. It was all about slavery. Not sure if the 6% is right, but of course not everyone could own a plantation, so that number is meaningless.
I wonder if people would stop clinging to their confederacy heritage if they knew those people who fought for their "state rights" were mostly Democrats?
The only thing you can really argue is that a lot of the north didn't oppose it because of some moral high ground. Most of them thought it hindered economic progress and wanted it abolished. Some just hated the south so much they would vote against it even if they had no issue with slavery. A lot of it, especially with Lincoln, held to the notion of a contradiction that if all men were created equal, then no man should be allowed to own another. But then most southerners didn't feel blacks were equal at all to whites (see the aforementioned Cornerstone Speech). Also, read about the nastiness that happened between Missouri and Kansas just before the war.
The south was so gung ho about slavery that they led several unsuccessful filibusters, or invasions, to Cuba and Central America, so they could claim those lands as slave territories and expand their reach. It was all about slavery. Not sure if the 6% is right, but of course not everyone could own a plantation, so that number is meaningless.
I wonder if people would stop clinging to their confederacy heritage if they knew those people who fought for their "state rights" were mostly Democrats?
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:20 pm to Pianoman
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Just remember that his(story) is always written by the victors which was the North in this case. Gotta believe they were more than eager to distort the facts to make themselves look better
Not accurate. The "Lost Cause" mythology was perpetrated throughout the southern states by a host of interested parties, but primarily the United Daughters of the Confederacy.
Time
Evidence that the civil war was primarily "about" slavery, or more specifically, the spread of slavery into new territories, is absolutely overwhelming. The articles of secession are pretty clear on this.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:21 pm to mister coffee
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Everything you read on the Civil War revolves around the right to own slaves in new territories
FIFY
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:22 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Everything you read on the Civil War revolves around the right to own slaves in new territories
They would have done away with it altogether if they could have.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:23 pm to Big Scrub TX
Lmfao
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:24 pm to sugar71
Lmfao
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:25 pm to mister coffee
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They would have done away with it altogether if they could have.
Lincoln didn't feel it was his place to interfere with Southern slavery.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:26 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Lincoln didn't feel it was his place to interfere with Southern slavery
not at first, sure
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:28 pm to SidewalkTiger
Go checkout some of Lincoln’s quotes about slavery. Thinking the Civil War had anything to do with morality is about as naive and childish a notion to ever exist.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:28 pm to sugar71
I'm looking at an online copy of the 1860 Census right now-there is no box to indicate whether or not the household owned a slave. And I'm looking at a census sheet from Mississippi.
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