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re: Just a fun link hinting at why all the NN discussions are hilariously out of date
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:50 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:50 am to ShortyRob
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The big dogs know the deal. So ask yourself. If Google believes wireless is the future........and wireless doesn't have the same barriers to entry that hard lines have......why is Google such a big advocate of NN?
Well that's easy...I think Google wants to be on the front lines of any regulation that could effect future service delivery technologies. If there is any barrier of entry created to those technologies Google wants to drive it.
It is refreshing to see that somebody gets it on this board.
The people advocating for NN have no idea what it would be like in 20 years....they are just worried about the stupid "fake flyers" they saw on reddit.
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:56 am to LSU316
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Well that's easy...I think Google wants to be on the front lines of any regulation that could effect future service delivery technologies.
Ding a fricking ding.
quote:And it's funny. They're literally the same people(ideologically) who feared never being able to shop anywhere but Sears.
The people advocating for NN have no idea what it would be like in 20 years
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:58 am to JuiceTerry
quote:Yet you're the one having to ask how wireless is better than wired service. Ironic, huh?
You're a senile old goat who's next original thought will be his first
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:58 am to LSURussian
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Yet you're the one having to ask how wireless is better than wired service. Ironic, huh?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:01 am to ShortyRob
Google abandoned fiber not because it didn't work or wasn't good for their bottom line, but because they got tired of going to court to fight the incumbent ISP's who didn't want to let Google in to compete.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:02 am to LSU316
So how does this compare to something like satellite TV? There aren't any neutrality rules for that, and yet there are 2 services in my area, Dish and Direct. There aren't any little guys affecting the market.
I'm all about free markets, I'm just not sure it's going to have much of an affect on the big dogs still running the show. I guess it's a matter of either trusting huge corporations or the government to make the rules.
Always a fun choice
I'm all about free markets, I'm just not sure it's going to have much of an affect on the big dogs still running the show. I guess it's a matter of either trusting huge corporations or the government to make the rules.
Always a fun choice
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:03 am to AUstar
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Google abandoned fiber not because it didn't work or wasn't good for their bottom line, but because they got tired of going to court to fight the incumbent ISP's who didn't want to let Google in to compete.
So. They're taking another angle to compete.
And, go ahead and bookmark this thread because if you return to this board in 5-10 years when it is readily apparent that today's wires are yesterday's Blockbuster video.............I can tell you I told you so.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:03 am to AUstar
So that is probably part of it...but did you read the linked article? New technologies (that are on the cusp of being usable now) could make the use of fiber to the home not necessary at all for the same quality of service.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:04 am to LSURussian
quote:A simple mind such as yours might have read it that way
Yet you're the one having to ask how wireless is better than wired service. Ironic, huh?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:06 am to Bass Tiger
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5G is the endgame for all major carriers, field costs are ridiculously low compared to fiber/copper. T is already running 5G in selected trials and they are getting over 1 gig download speeds. T is also offering 5G home routers for their 5G service allowing the customer to access 5G without using their smartphone's hotspot.
I wouldn't be so sure. I'm an EE and was taught that EM radiation is rather harmless but I gotta say there are some very credible studies showing that EM radiation may not be so harmless.
I'm not sure adding more EM radiation exposure to the population is going to be acceptable on a longer term level.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:06 am to JuiceTerry
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So how does this compare to something like satellite TV? There aren't any neutrality rules for that, and yet there are 2 services in my area, Dish and Direct. There aren't any little guys affecting the market.
Just out of curiosity. I'm going to let you answer this one by me asking a simple question.
"What factor do you think has caused there to be MULTIPLE wireless providers in virtually every area, but fewer satellite TV providers?"
(Hint, the answer is in the question).
quote:Said people in
I guess it's a matter of either trusting huge corporations or the government to make the rules.
1979 relating to Woolworth
2005 relating to Blockbuster
2000 relating to Walmart
1990 relating to Sears.
And on and on.
quote:The choice isn't even close. I mean.........IT'S NOT EVEN frickING CLOSE!
Always a fun choice
That you don't get that and that most Americans don't get it despite BUTT TONS OF HISTORICAL EVIDENCE is one of life's great mysteries.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:07 am to LSU316
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So that is probably part of it...but did you read the linked article? New technologies (that are on the cusp of being usable now) could make the use of fiber to the home not necessary at all for the same quality of service.
In 20 years, young people will look at people who have wires coming in to their home like they're fricking AOL users.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:12 am to ShortyRob
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In 20 years, young people will look at people who have wires coming in to their home like they're fricking AOL users.
It's about the same way I look at people that have land line telephones today
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:12 am to ShortyRob
Because the stuff you connect TO will not be connected wirelessly. The throughput would horribly insufficient for a datacenter.
Do you honestly think that tigerdroppings.com is sitting on someone's PC?
It's in a datacenter with huge fiber and copper connections running into it. The type of connections at present, and for the foreseeable future, literally impossible via wireless connectivity.
Net Neutrality isn't JUST about how you connect your house, but to all the things you connect back to.
Or, more to the point from the article you linked:
HOMES. Not data centers, not server farms, not businesses.
Wait until your wireless company informs you that they do not have a free access agreement with Media 3, and your connection to tigerdroppings.com will cost an extra $4.99 per month. $10.99 for the after hours access.
Do you honestly think that tigerdroppings.com is sitting on someone's PC?
It's in a datacenter with huge fiber and copper connections running into it. The type of connections at present, and for the foreseeable future, literally impossible via wireless connectivity.
Net Neutrality isn't JUST about how you connect your house, but to all the things you connect back to.
Or, more to the point from the article you linked:
quote:
it's still hellishly expensive to connect those pipes to customers' homes
HOMES. Not data centers, not server farms, not businesses.
Wait until your wireless company informs you that they do not have a free access agreement with Media 3, and your connection to tigerdroppings.com will cost an extra $4.99 per month. $10.99 for the after hours access.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:13 am to ShortyRob
It greatly amuses me that the NN morons in the other threads are studiously avoiding this one.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:14 am to ShortyRob
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In 20 years, young people will look at people who have wires coming in to their home like they're fricking AOL users.
As awesome as an improvement in wireless will be
a hard wired connection will always have a more stable connection.
Now the two can definitely work together like they do in Korea. Where everyone has a great wired connection at home and when they are out in about the city, they are constantly connected to a wireless solution.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:16 am to skrayper
quote:LOL Wut? Where would you get that idea?
Do you honestly think that tigerdroppings.com is sitting on someone's PC?
quote:K
The type of connections at present,
quote:Said people in.........well frick. None of you learn from history anyway.
and for the foreseeable future
quote:I've had this same conversation at least 10 times in my life.
literally impossible via wireless connectivity
quote:I know
Net Neutrality isn't JUST about how you connect your house, but to all the things you connect back to.
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HOMES. Not data centers, not server farms, not businesses. Wait until your wireless company informs you that they do not have a free access agreement with Media 3, and your connection to tigerdroppings.com will cost an extra $4.99 per month. $10.99 for the after hours access.
Sigh.
This is why Program Managers are quite often, NOT the engineers. Engineers are some smart frickers. But, their business savvy is quite often not their wheelhouse.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:20 am to ShortyRob
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I've had this same conversation at least 10 times in my life.
Great, but wild guess that it had nothing to do with running a data center.
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Said people in.........well frick. None of you learn from history anyway.
Of course technology changes - but is that something we should gamble on? That "everything will be a-okay" because something is SURE to come along?
The thread is about wireless making the whole thing a moot point, and I'm pointing out that we're a long way off from that being the case.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:23 am to LSURussian
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Wired internet service into homes is going the way of the outhouse. It won't be a part of our home environment in the future.
While certainly an upgrade and a viable option for many, radio doesn't have the bandwidth of fiber. 10 Gbps (symmetrical) fiber is becoming the norm now. Radio can do it in theory, but there's a lot of drawbacks (short distances, interference with other radio signals, etc.)
Moreover, the higher the frequency of the radio signal (which is required for high speeds), the shorter the max distance and the less able the signal can penetrate objects. This means an ISP would need to place a bunch of base stations throughout the city/neighborhood and place them in close proximity to homes/businesses.
Overall, I'd rather have a fiber line coming directly into my home. No worries of interference or overcrowding or overselling.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:24 am to AUstar
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AUstar
You have an understanding of the technology.
Be prepared to be dismissed. Sorry man.
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