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re: Judge says Trump does not have right to say and do what he pleases, issues gag order.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:53 pm to Flats
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:53 pm to Flats
The potential witness disqualification can also be vexing. There will be plenty of persons who are public figures ( but not necessarily public officials if you even want to deal with that logic trap) called to testify against Trump. They even make statements on the record denouncing Trump tgat will get press coverage. Trump will only have narrow room to respond to those statements
I think limiting threats is reasonable, but character attacks may be rude but rarely dangerous. I don’t think calling Smith a “thug” is polite, but I don’t see it as dangerous or intimidating. If Trump loyalists were to be motivated to improper action is “thug” any more a call to action than “politically motivated” (which is allowed$
I think limiting threats is reasonable, but character attacks may be rude but rarely dangerous. I don’t think calling Smith a “thug” is polite, but I don’t see it as dangerous or intimidating. If Trump loyalists were to be motivated to improper action is “thug” any more a call to action than “politically motivated” (which is allowed$
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Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Keep making yourself look like an idiot cuckeye 
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:59 pm to Bunk Moreland
And the dumbarse Ronbots wonder why hes not debating
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:00 pm to momentoftruth87
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sandboxofstolenvalor87
That's what I thought, sport.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:04 pm to dukkbill
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The potential witness disqualification can also be vexing. There will be plenty of persons who are public figures ( but not necessarily public officials if you even want to deal with that logic trap) called to testify against Trump. They even make statements on the record denouncing Trump tgat will get press coverage. Trump will only have narrow room to respond to those statements
I can see that. I just agreed that it wasn't unreasonable; that's not an endorsement. You make a good point, and I think public figures, witnesses or not, give up certain protections that might should be offered to some accountant that saw his books.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:06 pm to Bunk Moreland
I hope he says, FU, try to make me.
This whole gag orders stuff needs to be taken to the Supreme Court. It is a violation of the 1st Amendment and needs to end.
This whole gag orders stuff needs to be taken to the Supreme Court. It is a violation of the 1st Amendment and needs to end.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:07 pm to Bunk Moreland
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He is facing four felony charges.
I thought it was like 300
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:08 pm to Bunk Moreland
I'm so surprised that an Obama activist commie appointee would decide this way.LOL!
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:11 pm to Bunk Moreland
Curious, could this gag order sidetrack the whole Jack Smith trial schedule if Trump attorneys appealed the gag ruling all the way to SCOTUS? It seems like would since it prevents Trump from defending himself 8n public while the prosecution leaks information to the media.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:13 pm to TheBestYouKnow
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Trump's ego gets him into dumb situations.
The problem is you probably still believe the DOJ and the federal judiciary are unbiased and above politics. They aren't. This judge was appointed by Obama. A fellow traveler in the quest for "Hoping and Changing" America into the Marxist "Utopian" wet dream. Trump, and anyone going against "Hope and Change" are political enemies. They will not receive equal application of the law and the MSM will cover for the regime.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:14 pm to Bunk Moreland
Such ridiculousness!!
We live in a fricking banana republic!
Congratulations liberals/democrats
We live in a fricking banana republic!
Congratulations liberals/democrats
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:14 pm to Bunk Moreland
I think Trump secretly want the Judge to put him in Jail for violating the gag order because it will only further strengthen his position going into the election.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:18 pm to Bunk Moreland
So much for Freedom of Speech.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:19 pm to Lynxrufus2012
The House should name him Speaker now.
Per existing case law, you can’t punish someone for speech made from the floor of Congress.
Per existing case law, you can’t punish someone for speech made from the floor of Congress.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:39 pm to Bunk Moreland
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“This is not about whether I like the language Mr. Trump uses,”
Yes it is.
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“This is about language that presents a danger to the administration of justice.”
That's not in the Constitution. And if this can be supposed to pose a threat, it must be balanced against the leaks and the tenor of comments that bias the case against Trump, and no one is lied about or slandered or leaked about, like Trump. So, unconstitutional.
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Chutkan, often the target of Trump’s attacks, warned the former president that comments he or his attorneys make could threaten the case.
Nah, the case is based on facts and evidence.
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“Mr. Trump is a criminal defendant. He is facing four felony charges. He is under the supervision of the criminal justice system and he must follow his conditions of release,”
This is a major problem in the criminal justice system. An indictment, which can be completely fabricated, puts you under the "supervision" of the government. Yet we criticize when violent criminals get let out prior to trial and hurt others. This is an issue we're going to have to wrestle with. In this case though, we're only talking about his words and I don't see a legit reason to shut people up no matter how big or small their megaphone might be.
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“He does not have the right to say and do exactly what he pleases.
I think he does and I think the Constitution says that as well.
I'm not sure why we think it's acceptable for the government to yank away someone's freedom so easily. Also not sure why Trump's attorney is agreeing with the judge. They should be testing the constitutionality of this and fighting for his rights.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:40 pm to SlimTigerSlap
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Can you explain the correlation?
The correlation of someone being innocent until proven guilty and having right stripped because an indictment was obtained? I mean, do you realize how easy it is to get an indictment?
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:46 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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love how flippant Trump Loyalists have become with this word.
You don’t think lawfare is a tyrannical act?
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:48 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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which ones are you today?
SFP is not cwill.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:51 pm to BBONDS25
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I mean, do you realize how easy it is to get an indictment?
My understanding is that the overwhelming majority of federal indictments end up pleading guilty or being found guilty. Even if you only look at the ones that don't plead out and go all the way to trial, roughly 95% get found guilty.
This idea that federal indictments are just thrown around willy nilly is a political talking point.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:53 pm to RedStickFox
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My understanding is that the overwhelming majority of federal indictments end up pleading guilty or being found guilty.
This is nothing like a normal federal case. In fact, Jack Smith has gone after a political opponent in the past and was slapped down 9-0 by the Supreme Court and admonished for his actions. If you want to look at precedent, that beat down is much more on point.
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This idea that federal indictments are just thrown around willy nilly is a political talking point.
That’s not what I said. I said it is very easy to get an indictment. That is just a fact. If the prosecutor wants a true bill they will get a true bill.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 2:54 pm
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