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re: Judge orders ivermectin treatment

Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:32 pm to
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If the doctor prescribed the wrong medicine should the hospital be forced to administer ?

It's his patient. Either fire him or suspend him. But if he prescribes it while in good standing, they should be required to uphold it.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123929 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:35 pm to
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Judge orders ivermectin treatment
The other day a judge stripped a woman of child custody because she was not vaccinated. That was inexcusable and so this may be too. It depends in part though on where the "hospital policy" originated.

If ivermectin has a role, it is early in CV19 disease course. Not when disease has advanced to the stage of ICU admission. If the patient's doctors are making a medical call for that reason e.g., the stuff would have to be tube fed d/t ventilation status, the judge is out-of-line. If this is an administrative decision intruding on physician practice, that is a different matter.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 7:36 pm
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:36 pm to
They also aren’t just ordering a physician to prescribe it. They’re ordering a pharmacist to dispense it and a nurse to give it.

Judge should be taking it up with the hospital. He has no idea how this works or ramifications of his order.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32784 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:37 pm to
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this is a judge advocating

AKA a problem
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:39 pm to
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They also aren’t just ordering a physician to prescribe it. They’re ordering a pharmacist to dispense it and a nurse to give it.

I don't work with doctors or hospitals in any capacity. I know nothing about this case. I could have guessed that was implied in the order and pretty much assumed it. Not sure your point.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123929 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:39 pm to
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They also aren’t just ordering a physician to prescribe it. They’re ordering a pharmacist to dispense it and a nurse to give it.
If a physician wants to prescribe it (which may be the case here), the others should fall in line.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:41 pm to
The point is the pharmacists and nurses were not party to the case.

The fact that doctor has a court order is immaterial to them.

The pharmacists can absolutely refuse to dispense and then the judge has to literally override state statute stating pharmacists can refuse any prescription on the grounds of safety. It would be a completely separate suit.

Of course, if this suit was against the hospital and not physician, then the above is irrelevant to some extent, but it would still be interesting to see a pharmacist refuse to dispense and see which statute is “more equal” than the other.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 7:42 pm
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:42 pm to
Depends how close someone is to retirement. If I was close, I’d refuse to fill just to watch the fireworks.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29685 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:42 pm to
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This is a huge overstep.

Regardless of your thoughts on Covid, vaccines and ivermectin, a judge has absolutely no business telling doctors and hospitals how to treat patients. NONE!!!

you seem confused

the judge did nothing of the sort, all the judge did was force the hospital to fill the prescription

Hospital should have never refused is the 1st place and someone should be facing criminal charges for the refusal
Posted by bamacoullion
Fayette, Alabama
Member since Oct 2008
1772 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:43 pm to
Well, you're a Barner......so there ya go
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:44 pm to
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Hospital should have never refused is the 1st place and someone should be facing criminal charges for the refusal


you are really, really confused as to how the world works.
Posted by notslim99
City of Bossier City
Member since Feb 2005
4531 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:45 pm to
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AKA a problem


Not in this case. Nothing worked for this patient except Ivermectin. Hospital withheld treatment. What other recourse is there?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123929 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:45 pm to
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The pharmacists can absolutely refuse to dispense
They'd better have a DAMN good reason, like overlooked allergy, drug interaction, or incorrect dosage. This falls into none of those categories.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
8908 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:47 pm to
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liquid...


Drink plenty of water.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:47 pm to
They have the same reason the doctor would to refuse in the first place.

We tell doctors to pound sand quite frequently for wanting to do stupid shite, so I’m probably a little more callous towards that practice than you might be used to.
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18141 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:48 pm to
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Not sure I like that at all


Why the frick would you not like this? If it works, it saves lives. If it doesn't work, nothing changes. Ivermectin has one of the safest profiles of any modern medicine. That leads me to believe that you would rather just let people die.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123929 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:51 pm to
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If it doesn't work, nothing changes
If the dude cannot take it except through a feeding tube, something may change.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:52 pm to
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If I was close, I’d refuse to fill just to watch the fireworks.

And this is what is causing all the confusion and consternation and doubt surrounding COVID. Ivermectin is a relatively harmless and well established medicine being used off label. Just like hydroxychloroquine, people are taking a stance that doesn't need to be taken just because they want to play politics with people's lives. And if doctors wanted to re-establish their credibility (Which, I admit, doesn't seem likely, since it's much less fun than Tik-Tok videos and shaming people for not getting a vaccine with ambiguous and diminishing results.) they would stop doing this.
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9316 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:53 pm to
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memphis tiger


Are you stupid or something? Don't comment if you aren't going to read the article.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:53 pm to
There is a zero point zero chance ivermectin will help a patient sick enough for the ICU. This particular instance isn’t a case of refusing to “just try” something. It’s refusing to perform CPR on a cadaver.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 7:54 pm
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