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re: Judge orders ivermectin treatment
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:32 pm to memphis tiger
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:32 pm to memphis tiger
quote:
If the doctor prescribed the wrong medicine should the hospital be forced to administer ?
It's his patient. Either fire him or suspend him. But if he prescribes it while in good standing, they should be required to uphold it.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:35 pm to Cincinnati Tiigre
quote:The other day a judge stripped a woman of child custody because she was not vaccinated. That was inexcusable and so this may be too. It depends in part though on where the "hospital policy" originated.
Judge orders ivermectin treatment
If ivermectin has a role, it is early in CV19 disease course. Not when disease has advanced to the stage of ICU admission. If the patient's doctors are making a medical call for that reason e.g., the stuff would have to be tube fed d/t ventilation status, the judge is out-of-line. If this is an administrative decision intruding on physician practice, that is a different matter.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:36 pm to NC_Tigah
They also aren’t just ordering a physician to prescribe it. They’re ordering a pharmacist to dispense it and a nurse to give it.
Judge should be taking it up with the hospital. He has no idea how this works or ramifications of his order.
Judge should be taking it up with the hospital. He has no idea how this works or ramifications of his order.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:37 pm to notslim99
quote:
this is a judge advocating
AKA a problem
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:39 pm to Tiguar
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They also aren’t just ordering a physician to prescribe it. They’re ordering a pharmacist to dispense it and a nurse to give it.
I don't work with doctors or hospitals in any capacity. I know nothing about this case. I could have guessed that was implied in the order and pretty much assumed it. Not sure your point.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:39 pm to Tiguar
quote:If a physician wants to prescribe it (which may be the case here), the others should fall in line.
They also aren’t just ordering a physician to prescribe it. They’re ordering a pharmacist to dispense it and a nurse to give it.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:41 pm to squid_hunt
The point is the pharmacists and nurses were not party to the case.
The fact that doctor has a court order is immaterial to them.
The pharmacists can absolutely refuse to dispense and then the judge has to literally override state statute stating pharmacists can refuse any prescription on the grounds of safety. It would be a completely separate suit.
Of course, if this suit was against the hospital and not physician, then the above is irrelevant to some extent, but it would still be interesting to see a pharmacist refuse to dispense and see which statute is “more equal” than the other.
The fact that doctor has a court order is immaterial to them.
The pharmacists can absolutely refuse to dispense and then the judge has to literally override state statute stating pharmacists can refuse any prescription on the grounds of safety. It would be a completely separate suit.
Of course, if this suit was against the hospital and not physician, then the above is irrelevant to some extent, but it would still be interesting to see a pharmacist refuse to dispense and see which statute is “more equal” than the other.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:42 pm to NC_Tigah
Depends how close someone is to retirement. If I was close, I’d refuse to fill just to watch the fireworks.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:42 pm to memphis tiger
quote:you seem confused
This is a huge overstep.
Regardless of your thoughts on Covid, vaccines and ivermectin, a judge has absolutely no business telling doctors and hospitals how to treat patients. NONE!!!
the judge did nothing of the sort, all the judge did was force the hospital to fill the prescription
Hospital should have never refused is the 1st place and someone should be facing criminal charges for the refusal
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:43 pm to AuburnTigers
Well, you're a Barner......so there ya go
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:44 pm to dcbl
quote:
Hospital should have never refused is the 1st place and someone should be facing criminal charges for the refusal
you are really, really confused as to how the world works.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:45 pm to Damone
quote:
AKA a problem
Not in this case. Nothing worked for this patient except Ivermectin. Hospital withheld treatment. What other recourse is there?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:45 pm to Tiguar
quote:They'd better have a DAMN good reason, like overlooked allergy, drug interaction, or incorrect dosage. This falls into none of those categories.
The pharmacists can absolutely refuse to dispense
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:47 pm to 1loyalbamafan
quote:
liquid...
Drink plenty of water.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:47 pm to NC_Tigah
They have the same reason the doctor would to refuse in the first place.
We tell doctors to pound sand quite frequently for wanting to do stupid shite, so I’m probably a little more callous towards that practice than you might be used to.
We tell doctors to pound sand quite frequently for wanting to do stupid shite, so I’m probably a little more callous towards that practice than you might be used to.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:48 pm to AuburnTigers
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Not sure I like that at all
Why the frick would you not like this? If it works, it saves lives. If it doesn't work, nothing changes. Ivermectin has one of the safest profiles of any modern medicine. That leads me to believe that you would rather just let people die.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:51 pm to Landmass
quote:If the dude cannot take it except through a feeding tube, something may change.
If it doesn't work, nothing changes
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:52 pm to Tiguar
quote:
If I was close, I’d refuse to fill just to watch the fireworks.
And this is what is causing all the confusion and consternation and doubt surrounding COVID. Ivermectin is a relatively harmless and well established medicine being used off label. Just like hydroxychloroquine, people are taking a stance that doesn't need to be taken just because they want to play politics with people's lives. And if doctors wanted to re-establish their credibility (Which, I admit, doesn't seem likely, since it's much less fun than Tik-Tok videos and shaming people for not getting a vaccine with ambiguous and diminishing results.) they would stop doing this.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:53 pm to memphis tiger
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memphis tiger
Are you stupid or something? Don't comment if you aren't going to read the article.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:53 pm to squid_hunt
There is a zero point zero chance ivermectin will help a patient sick enough for the ICU. This particular instance isn’t a case of refusing to “just try” something. It’s refusing to perform CPR on a cadaver.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 7:54 pm
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