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re: Judge Beryl Howell goes all in blocks another Trump EO - Perkins Coie
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Strawman! 
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:07 pm to Azkiger
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Nope, it's a realistic alternative to viewpoint differences.
Not in terms of the law, EO, or court ruling at issue.
Like I said, you'd need a new thread and EO to have that discussion
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Perkins Coie was mostly just a way to funnel the money.
So, fraud?
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why can't this be about unethical behavior instead of viewpoint differences?
That's an entirely different discussion and would need another thread (and, hell, EO, probably)
EO 14230
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Section 1
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Purpose.
The dishonest and dangerous activity of the law firm Perkins Coie LLP (“Perkins Coie”) has affected this country for decades. Notably, in 2016 while representing failed Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS, which then manufactured a false “dossier” designed to steal an election. This egregious activity is part of a pattern. Perkins Coie has worked with activist donors including George Soros to judicially overturn popular, necessary, and democratically enacted election laws, including those requiring voter identification. In one such case, a court was forced to sanction Perkins Coie attorneys for an unethical lack of candor before the court
No dude, it's this thread. You chose to discuss something different, which mirrors the activist judge position. Maybe you could stop being the arbiter of who is keeping the discussion focused, you suck at it.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He didn't have a point.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not in terms of the law, EO, or court ruling at issue.
Like I said, you'd need a new thread and EO to have that discussion
The EO said security clearances were being pulled because of viewpoint differences?
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:12 pm to OceanMan
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No dude, it's this thread.
I'm glad you pointed that out. The dishonesty in the prior posting of it was worse than I imagined.
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You chose to discuss something different,
No I'm discussing the case at the center of OP.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:12 pm to Azkiger
quote:His tried and true "winning" oozing through!
You just said you did address his point, now he doesn't have one. Which is it?
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:13 pm to OceanMan
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No dude, it's this thread. You chose to discuss something different, which mirrors the activist judge position. Maybe you could stop being the arbiter of who is keeping the discussion focused, you suck at it.
100% chance of a "pivot" retort. Brace yourself.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:14 pm to Azkiger
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100% chance of a "pivot" retort
Wrong again
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No I'm discussing the case at the center of OP.
The case about the EO that mentioned unethical behavior in its language?
You're saying the claim that whether or not Perkins Coie acted unethical is not relevant to that case?
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:19 pm to Azkiger
quote:He is stating the following entities are culpable.
You're saying the claim that whether or not Perkins Coie acted unethical is not relevant to that case?
Clinton Campaign
Steele
Fusion GPS
DOJ
somehow the money laundering top secret security clearance holders hired to pursue the dossier are free and clear.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:you did
I did not.
quote:still happening
This did not happen.
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Not necessarily. Employment and contractor have legal meanings and I'm assuming the judge was using these specific meanings.
And both of those meanings mean "in business" in this context.
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If I am hired by a business to do legal work for them, I'm not a "contractor" of the business, within the legal definition.
You most certainly are, this is basic shite. wtf are you even doing, do I need to start posting definitions again?
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Those questions aren't really important.
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I know this may annoy you, but that's a textbook strawman.
I'm actually surprised you remembered something else I said in the thread, so I'm not annoyed, but you are wrong. None of the firms rights are being violated, their security clearances are being taken away. That's the discussion, and anything beyond that is indeed a strawman.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:24 pm to Azkiger
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The case about the EO that mentioned unethical behavior in its language?
yes but that wasn't a focus of the ruling.
And then the thread became focused on people improperly associated PC with the DOJ's bad behavior.
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You're saying the claim that whether or not Perkins Coie acted unethical is not relevant to that case?
No once the EO was fully pointed out I thanked the poster.
I already made my comments about that, earlier ITT.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:25 pm to OceanMan
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No dude, it's this thread. You chose to discuss something different, which mirrors the activist judge position. Maybe you could stop being the arbiter of who is keeping the discussion focused, you suck at it.
He does this constantly. If he has 3 or more posts in a thread that's a sign he feels he can derail the conversation.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:26 pm to OceanMan
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None of the firms rights are being violated, their security clearances are being taken away.
This is not stating the situation correctly
The 1A is a limitation on government, including the admin. It's not about "taking away the firms rights". It's about ensuring the government acted within the limitations of the Constitution (1st Amendment, specifically).
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm glad you pointed that out. The dishonesty in the prior posting of it was worse than I imagined.
What does this even mean? the words from the EO are posted, and you vaguely reference "prior postings"...weak
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No I'm discussing the case at the center of OP.
Not a discussion, you are in full agreement with a ridiculous judge position.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yes but that wasn't a focus of the ruling.
But it was part of the focus of the EO.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:30 pm to Azkiger
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But it was part of the focus of the EO.
Title of thread
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Judge Beryl Howell goes all in blocks another Trump EO - Perkins Coie
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Judge Beryl Howell goes all in blocks another Trump EO - Perkins Coie
Yes, the EO is the focus of this thread as well.
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