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re: Judge Amy Berman Jackson Rules the Bureaucracy Controls the Executive Branch, Not POTUS
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:27 am to tiggerfan02 2021
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:27 am to tiggerfan02 2021
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6 minutes and 2 posts later, you Beetlejuiced him right up.
Pull him into one thread, then avoid that thread.
win
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Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:what I truly do not understand about these Imperial Presidency people is their complete lack of grasp of the concept that politics are cyclical, and presidents come and go.
For years people have been upset that Congress gave too much power to the Executive by not legislating and giving vague mandates/power to the Executive via legislation.
All the extraordinary powers they want to give to a guy who shares their general outlook would terrify them, if given to a guy who opposes that outlook.
They just cannot seem to grasp that these powers WILL go to that guy, at some point in the future.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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It creates a mandatory process to enact policies/regulations. It has very little, if anything, to do with the Constitution.
It has a great deal to do with the Constitution. Policies/regs are just a part of the APA. Adjudication and judicial review are rather important parts as well.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:31 am to Jbird
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Only in your logical extension argument.
Only in the explanation of the UET
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:31 am to POTUS2024
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You are trying to reduce the presidency to a figurehead position.
No I'm not
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The President is the Unitary Executive. That is how it was set up. That is how our system was always intended to operate.
Except, it's not, and hasn't been?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Meh
Only in the explanation of the UET
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:33 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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From an operational standpoint
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operational independence
Is this the first post ITT where you use the word "operational"?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:33 am to GumboPot
What an idiot. The executive branch is 1 person: The President.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:35 am to AggieHank86
This thread is about whether the president can fire an “independent” overseer foisted on him by the legislature.
The Unitary Executive Theory does not give the president “extraordinary powers”
Unless I missed it, no one here has posted that the president should be able to make laws or decide court cases.
But he should be able to hire and fire executive branch employees, analyze and audit executive information and processes, run daily operations of his departments, etc
The Unitary Executive Theory does not give the president “extraordinary powers”
Unless I missed it, no one here has posted that the president should be able to make laws or decide court cases.
But he should be able to hire and fire executive branch employees, analyze and audit executive information and processes, run daily operations of his departments, etc
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:35 am to AggieHank86
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what I truly do not understand about these Imperial Presidency people is their complete lack of grasp of the concept that politics are cyclical, and presidents come and go.
No they understand it. They just want power when their team is in power and bitch when power is used when the other team is in power. I posted examples from this board earlier ITT about Obama's "pen and a phone"
We can try other examples:
1. Biden forgiving student loans.
2. Trump's bumpstock ban.
3. Fincen BOI reporting.
Does anyone disagree that if I go looking for threads, I'll find a bit of hypocrisy looking up these 3 examples?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:36 am to AggieHank86
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what I truly do not understand about these Imperial Presidency people is their complete lack of grasp of the concept that politics are cyclical, and presidents come and go.
I think some - not all - of these people imagine that:
A) The combination of broadly empowered executive that can essentially rule by fiat along side with a generation of judicial appointments by the right wing has made it such that eventually the SCOTUS can essentially turn their brains into pretzels to determine why red guy can do it but blue guy can't.
B) They just imagine they're never going to lose again
C) They don't see themselves adhering to the peaceful transition of power norms if they do lose
A puts a lot of trust in conservative appointments being purely partisan and that has not always been a good bet.
B is pure fantasy. The leading bet should be for the Democrats to clean up in 2026 and win the presidency in 2028. I do not think what the GOP has made their priority will end up being popular with the public when it inevitably leads to GDP contraction.
C is for coup. Would devolve into a civil war and mass blood letting of our own people.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:37 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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But he should be able to hire and fire executive branch employees, analyze and audit executive information and processes, run daily operations of his departments, etc
*subject to Congressional authority authorized by the Constitution and within the strict limitations of the statutory authority used to create the agency/executive power.
Like the APA, Civil Service Reform Act , etc.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Implied Powers are fun.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:38 am to Jbird
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Implied Powers are fun.
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Article. I.
Section. 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
nothing implied by plain text
This post was edited on 3/2/25 at 11:39 am
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
So no implied powers exist?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:40 am to Jbird
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So no implied powers exist?
My comment had nothing to do with implied powers.
I pointed out that your comment was not a relevant response to mine
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:As it pertains to operating the Executive Branch it does.
I pointed out that your comment was not a relevant response to mine
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:45 am to Jbird
You’re arguing with a guy who has the record for most posts in a single day and pretends to be a lawyer. He’s 100% mentally ill.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:46 am to Jbird
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operating
There's that word again. How may times other than this post have you used that word ITT?
Starting to feel like a pivot is emerging.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 11:47 am to jbdawgs03
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who has the record for most posts in a single day
Just so you know, I don't think this is true.
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