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Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:13 am to Goforit
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It will be overturned.
In this specific instance, likely, because he was appointed and there doesn't appear to be specific language from the organizing statute re: removal (see the post a few posts back with the prior court case).
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Trump admin is trying to change the way the Executive is viewed with their Unified Executive Theory.
The way "it is viewed"???? No the way it is codified in law and the Trump administration is correct.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:24 am to GumboPot
They obviously didn't, or like most Democrats, they just don't care. The rule on what they want, not what actually is.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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I heard someone on here just this last week argue "there is no such thing as an Independent Agency" and I was like
That person was right, at least Constitutionally. There is nothing independent from oversight, review, accountability etc from something else out there. Anything that is independent would be tyranny.
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The question is what limits Congress has on its own creation outside of specific Constitutional references (like the appointment Clause).
When they created OSC they put it in the Executive Branch and made the SC a presidential appointee. They handed power to the Executive and then had the chance to restrict the Executive in its dealings with OSC (they didn't do much) and when it comes to removal, they and the Constitution impose very little in the way of restrictions here.
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What this Unified Executive Theory is arguing is that even that vague action is irrelevant, because once they create a body with any Executive prerogative, the Executive has limitless power now within that body.
Yeah, the unitary executive has limitless power in acting as the Executive. Our Founders did not establish a committee or a counsel. They established a lone executive that gets power via a nationwide vote and that one person gets a lot of power. Like Obama said, "I've got a pen and a phone." If it's executive action and it doesn't violate the Constitution, then the President can do it.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:28 am to SlayTime
She’s a liberal, Jewish Democrat educated at Harvard.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:29 am to Chrome
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This is a "wash rinse repeat" thing for them. Even if it goes to the SCOTUS and gets a ruling in favor of the executive branch they'll simply do it again.
The Dems have said as much from day one. They will seek solace from the courts rather than debate the merits of Trump's EOs. It's going to be another four years of lawfare.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:31 am to Chrome
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Even if it goes to the SCOTUS and gets a ruling in favor of the executive branch they'll simply do it again.
Crazy there isn't some kind of punishment for judges.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:32 am to OTIS2
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She’s a liberal, Jewish Democrat educated at Harvard.
Thanks. Now everyone nose the truth.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Blah blah.....there can't be a dumbass judge stupid enough to say no one can fire the guy.
She's a moron
She's a moron
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Trump adminquote:the Executive is viewed with their Unified Executive Theory.
is trying to change the way
I find this funny. Especially since all we've seen is Democrats change every norm in our society.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:41 am to GumboPot
The Deep state is Deep going to have to get a bigger sub - pump..
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:42 am to POTUS2024
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Yeah, the unitary executive has limitless power in acting as the Executive. Our Founders did not establish a committee or a counsel.
By they did establish a Congress, who has a role in crafting the statutes creating these bodies, which means they have powers to limit/expand executive power. That's basic checks and balances that the UET wants to discard.
Clear Constitutional authority? Like the appointment clause? That's different, and shows that the drafters of the Constitution believed only certain executive functions were Constitutionally guaranteed to the executive. Had they promoted the UET, you'd have to have thought they would have included a clause in the matter.
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When they created OSC they put it in the Executive Branch and made the SC a presidential appointee.
And that's regulated by the appointments clause. \
Even the case you cited last page makes it clear Congress can regulate certain actors outside of this specific class of persons. That case clearly rejects the UET.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:44 am to GumboPot
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Where did these dumbass judges learn civics?
A lot are not "dumb", they are Globalist DEI/Transnational Progressive and strive to "fundamentally change" and nullify Constitutional Principle via "inalienable Rights from God".
In other words, they are Treasonous to their Oath.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:46 am to coolpapaboze
Cvnt
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:49 am to HagaDaga
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I find this funny. Especially since all we've seen is Democrats change every norm in our society.
Well, when Obama was in power "wielding a pen and a phone", those proclaiming undying loyalty to the UET were singing quite a different tune
So yes, viewed is an apt linguistic choice.
Never forget
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President Obama has a new phrase he's been using a lot lately: "I've got a pen, and I've got a phone."
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"I am going to be working with Congress where I can to accomplish this, but I am also going to act on my own if Congress is deadlocked," he said at an education event at the White House on Thursday. "I've got a pen to take executive actions where Congress won't, and I've got a telephone to rally folks around the country on this mission."
LINK
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I suspect you'll find that he thinks the Executive Branch "working with a pen and a phone" is no more Constitutionally palatable with Trump than with Obama.
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This. The right thing done the wrong way is still the wrong thing. Why? Because it opens the door for the wrong things to be done the wrong way with no way to stop them.
Trump won't need a pen and a phone
LINK
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I didn’t hear her doing a whole lot of complaining about Mr. Pen-and-a-Phone.
LINK
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They think that marks the end of the rule of law?
They need to go back several years to Obama's pen and phone.
etc
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Trump admin is trying to change the way the Executive is viewed with their Unified Executive Theory
I don’t think he’s trying to change anything except reel in the bureaucracy and get the departments under the EB to carry out his agenda and mandates. Which is quite sensible and constitutional.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:52 am to GumboPot
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Amy Berman Jackson
Not a judge. An activist in a black robe.
THIS is one who needs impeachment proceedings to be instituted against. Time after time, she’s shown her true colors.
This post was edited on 3/2/25 at 8:52 am
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:52 am to SlayTime
quote:tsk tsk tskquote:Thanks. Now everyone nose the truth.
She’s a liberal, Jewish Democrat educated at Harvard.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 8:52 am to GumboPot
ignore this wrinkly old brawd...
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