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re: Joel Osteens church gets burglarized over night.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:27 am to KCT
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:27 am to KCT
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It seems to me like some of us here are taking one extreme or another with regards to the wealth issue.
I don't really care that much about Joel Osteen. I know his church has done a lot for poor people in the Houston area, and that is notable. His wealth has not been created by exploiting the poor to give him money...they can't.
I don't understand the people that have a problem with the tax structure. I guarantee he is paying a shitload in personal income taxes.
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:28 am to cwill
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When the pastor is getting rich off the charity of others...he's taking his rake. Pretty sleazy in the view of most people.
He is not taking from the charity of others. He get's NO salary. Last time I address you on that.
He writes books. He makes money from the sales of those.
Again, last time I address you. It's one thing to have an opinion. It's entirely different to lie about things to make your position viable.
Later kid.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:28 am to darkhorse
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King Solomon.
King Solomon wasn't a Christian, he was a Jew.
By the way, darkhorse, please tell me what you think Jesus was talking about in Mark 10:17-31 and Luke 12:13-21.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:29 am to dpd901
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However, if he is supposed to be a desciple of Christ, them he should live in a very modest house, dress modestly, preach that his followers should all do the same, and give all of that money to aiding the poor, sick, etc...
No. That's not scripture at all. So, if we are being honest, use scripture and not opinion.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:30 am to Hawkeye95
quote:You're atheist or agnostic, correct?
I find Osteen revolting
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:31 am to darkhorse
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He is not taking from the charity of others. He get's NO salary. Last time I address you on that.
His family...his house expenses.
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Again, last time I address you. It's one thing to have an opinion. It's entirely different to lie about things to make your position viable.
It's one thing to ignore all other evidence and only focus on 1 person's salary.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:32 am to NC_Tigah
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You're atheist or agnostic, correct?
more apathetic than anything, but atheist.
But I can still find prosperity giving revolting.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:38 am to Hawkeye95
quote:You dooo loooove your NBA?
But I can still find prosperity giving revolting.
You dooo loooove your NFL?
You dooo loooove paying whatever to see Amateur collegiate football?
You dooo loooove you some hollywood movies?
amiright?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:43 am to KCT
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I think one difference of opinion here concerns how we view a Christian ministry, and what the priorities of a Christian ministry should be. Obviously, some of you consider it to be just like any other business. Revenues come in, and the owners of the ministry (business) are free to take as much of that revenue for themselves as they see fit.
If you are a Christian, then please stop. This is totally against what the Bible teaches you to do Karla. You are spreading rumors with no real evidence of wrong doing. That's wrong. You are deliberately being untruthful. That's slander. That's false witness.
Osteen isn't taking money FROM the church.
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ministers
Which ministers? You are lumping a lot of calling together. Each has it's own purpose.
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their first priority is supposed to be saving souls, and preaching and teaching the Word.
See you have placed your argument in a no win situation. You don't know that it's not the first priority of Osteen or that church. Then you add preach God's Word. There is more to the Word than Salvation.
What do you do with all those babe's in Christ. Have no growth? Keep them babe's. OR do you follow scripture and bring in tithes and offerings so that there might be meat at the table so they can grow?
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Surely, when a family has used a ministry in order to become multi-millionaires
The Bible is clear on making accusations. Generally you need proof. Where is your proof that they have made MILLIONS off of the tithes of that church?
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saving souls and preaching the Word has not been their predominant priorities. for those of us who understand and value the Word,
Please show where they do not do this?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:45 am to monceaux
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He does not take a salary from Lakewood Church.
Correct.
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He does get benefits - cars, housing, healthcare, retirement, etc.
Not that I am aware of. His house that has been mentioned here is set up in a trust. Alot of people do that. He is paying for it.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:47 am to Lg
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I agree wholeheartedly with you. I wonder what the attendance of this church would be if he preached a message of repentance?
They do. Just not the way you feel it should be done.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:47 am to NC_Tigah
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You dooo loooove your NBA?
You dooo loooove your NFL?
You dooo loooove paying whatever to see Amateur collegiate football?
You dooo loooove you some hollywood movies?
amiright?
actually no. I love books though.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:51 am to monceaux
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But he makes money through his Church, on his TV show
Does not. They don't even ask for donations on Tv. He does not promote his books on TV.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:53 am to darkhorse
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His house that has been mentioned here is set up in a trust.
Who owns, manages the trust? Who funds the trust to pay the $260k in prop taxes?
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He is paying for it.
Link?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 11:57 am to cwill
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Who owns, manages the trust? Who funds the trust to pay the $260k in prop taxes?
It is a fair assumption that he is paying the taxes. You ask for a link to counter your accusation. That is not the way it works.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:01 pm to TK421
No I asked who owned/managed the trust. I asked for a link to his statement that Osteen pays for it. That's how it works.
Also it's an equally fair assumption he is not paying considering the obvious tax advantages to having the church pay or pay him to pay.
Also it's an equally fair assumption he is not paying considering the obvious tax advantages to having the church pay or pay him to pay.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:02 pm to Lg
I see darkhorse hasn't responded.
I have no problem with Osteen making as much as he can from a legal standpoint.
But anybody preaching the teaching of Jesus should know how Jesus felt about collecting wealth and possessions.
I doubt Jesus would be okay with Osteen become a multi-millionaire selling books about Jesus.
Whoever stole that money must have known when and where to do the trick. Inside job. So one of Osteen's Christian crew obviously isn't very Christian. Unless they give all that money to the poor. That would be an intersting twist, eh?
I have no problem with Osteen making as much as he can from a legal standpoint.
But anybody preaching the teaching of Jesus should know how Jesus felt about collecting wealth and possessions.
I doubt Jesus would be okay with Osteen become a multi-millionaire selling books about Jesus.
Whoever stole that money must have known when and where to do the trick. Inside job. So one of Osteen's Christian crew obviously isn't very Christian. Unless they give all that money to the poor. That would be an intersting twist, eh?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:03 pm to KCT
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Speaking of saving souls, somebody mentioned all the people who have been saved because of Joel Osteen's ministry. My question is, saved to what?
Christ.
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How many of you have ever actually watched him?
I have. Not my cup of tea for the most part.
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He doesn't preach the Word of God!
Yes he does. You just feel that the word of God is limited to the 4 Gospel accounts. It's not.
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If a person was ignorant of the contents of the Bible, they could go to that church 3 times a week for a year, and they would still be ignorant concerning the Bible.
So their Bible classes would teach them nothing? Their disciples class would teach them nothing? quote:
Also, a couple of things regarding Joel Osteen not taking a salary from the church. He used to, but I think it was some criticism of how wealthy he is that led him to take that step. But imo, here's why it really doesn't matter:
False accusations again. He stopped not from criticisms, but because he made millions of the book he released. But here's that other side of that. EVEN if that were true, you are still condemning him for it.
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As a Christian who has seen many ministers and ministries do things the right way, I deplore the charlatans. All the souls they've saved? These charlatans have driven millions of people away from Jesus.
Let me go one step more for you. As a PK... You have no grasp on reality of a ministry. The mind set that is wrong and it's not based on SCRIPTURES.
How can you claim them to be anything that's not lined up with SCRIPTURES.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:03 pm to cwill
Even though I object to your notion of how this thing works, this was amazingly easy information to find:
LINK
LINK
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The River Oaks home is technically owned by the Covenant Trust, which means the Osteens do not qualify for a homestead exemption on it. They will pay around $260,000 in property taxes on the new home this year.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:07 pm to TK421
There's a link that provides that Covenant owns the house and it pays the taxes. It was posted by darkhorse in this thread. Further it makes sense that the entity as owner would be taxed.
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