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re: Joel Osteens church gets burglarized over night.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:11 pm to cwill
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:11 pm to cwill
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There's a link that provides that Covenant owns the house and it pays the taxes.
The Covenant Trust, which is funded by the Osteens.
I don't like the guy, but this attack on him is nonsense.
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:18 pm to BayouBlitz
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I doubt Jesus would be okay with Osteen become a multi-millionaire selling books about Jesus.
I know God blesses his ministers. It's the one's living in extreme abundance while the one's that they preach to probably never will. Jesus actually tells his disciples, as He sends them out, to not even take any money with them. (Matt. 10-9)
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:21 pm to Lg
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By the way, darkhorse, please tell me what you think Jesus was talking about in Mark 10:17-31 and Luke 12:13-21.
Mark 10:17-31 is about a man who wanted eternal life. He wanted that in a self serving way. He loved his money more than he wanted a relationship with Christ. Christ went directly to the issue. The issue was not his wealth. The issue was that he was unwilling to depart with it. His love of it over Christ.
The Disciples were taken back by what he said. Jesus stated it's hard for the wealthy because of that reason to accept Christ.
He used the eye of the needle as an example(actual place not the needle you hold in your hand to sow with). He never stated it was impossible.
Luke is of the same nature. It is about covetousness... AND.. Here is the message most miss. It's about earth self serving works and NOT "laying" up or doing things to promote the kingdom of God. Verse 21.. Not rich towards God.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:25 pm to TK421
Dark horse,
I said earlier that you were a good guy, and I'm trying to continue to feel that way. Please refrain from acusing me of slandering Joel Osteen, when all I have done is give mmy honest opinion of the man. I would gladly say everything to his face that I have posted here.
Also, please quit acting like there's a difference just because he makes personal appearances and sales books. There wouldn't be any personal appearances or book sales if it weren't for the ministry that this man didn't even start.
If you're okay with a minister living in a $10 million dollar home, then that's your right to feel that way. It's obvious to me that the entire Osteen family has prioritized wealth accumulation over preaching the Gospel and saving souls.
AK421, you're wrong to think that poor people aren't goliving money to Joel Osteen. I don't know about now, but the original church was located in a very poor part of Houston. In fact, the Osteen family was being criticized at least 15 years ago for having their church in a poor section of town, while living in multi-million dollar homes in another part of town. This family was incredibly rich long before anybody had ever heard of Joel Osteen.
I said earlier that you were a good guy, and I'm trying to continue to feel that way. Please refrain from acusing me of slandering Joel Osteen, when all I have done is give mmy honest opinion of the man. I would gladly say everything to his face that I have posted here.
Also, please quit acting like there's a difference just because he makes personal appearances and sales books. There wouldn't be any personal appearances or book sales if it weren't for the ministry that this man didn't even start.
If you're okay with a minister living in a $10 million dollar home, then that's your right to feel that way. It's obvious to me that the entire Osteen family has prioritized wealth accumulation over preaching the Gospel and saving souls.
AK421, you're wrong to think that poor people aren't goliving money to Joel Osteen. I don't know about now, but the original church was located in a very poor part of Houston. In fact, the Osteen family was being criticized at least 15 years ago for having their church in a poor section of town, while living in multi-million dollar homes in another part of town. This family was incredibly rich long before anybody had ever heard of Joel Osteen.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:37 pm to KCT
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I said earlier that you were a good guy, and I'm trying to continue to feel that way. Please refrain from acusing me of slandering Joel Osteen, when all I have done is give mmy honest opinion of the man. I would gladly say everything to his face that I have posted here.
That does not make it right. Saying it to his face does not mean it's right or ok.
If it's false, it's false.
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please quit acting like there's a difference just because he makes personal appearances and sales books. There wouldn't be any personal appearances or book sales if it weren't for the ministry that this man didn't even start.
That matter's how, if it's not against the scriptures? Who are you to add to scriptures? Doesn't the Bible warn about that?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:39 pm to KCT
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I don't know about now, but the original church was located in a very poor part of Houston.
I know, it makes sense that his particular interpretation of the gospel would go over well in a poor area. His ministry was to the poor and homeless, and I doubt he expected much (if anything) in return.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:42 pm to darkhorse
Dark Horse,
If you believe for a second that Jesus would want his disciples, those preach his faith to be living in mansions and wearing Versace and driving Bentleys while there are people starving to death, you're a retard and you're the one needing to brush up on your scripture,
Find me one passage in the Gospels where Jesus says material wealth on earth is the reward for Salvation. Just one!
"Blessed are the poor , those who hunger, those who weep.... The kingdom of heaven is yours...
Woe to you who are rich, for you have received your comfort, woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry"--
My man JC
If you believe for a second that Jesus would want his disciples, those preach his faith to be living in mansions and wearing Versace and driving Bentleys while there are people starving to death, you're a retard and you're the one needing to brush up on your scripture,
Find me one passage in the Gospels where Jesus says material wealth on earth is the reward for Salvation. Just one!
"Blessed are the poor , those who hunger, those who weep.... The kingdom of heaven is yours...
Woe to you who are rich, for you have received your comfort, woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry"--
My man JC
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:46 pm to TK421
How were they living in multi-million dollar homes if they weren't taking in much money? If you can get a whole lot of poor people to give you money, you can generate a ton of cash.
Also, you do realize that Joel Osteen didn't start the ministry, right?
Also, you do realize that Joel Osteen didn't start the ministry, right?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:50 pm to KCT
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How were they living in multi-million dollar homes if they weren't taking in much money?
They were already rich, as you already said.
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Also, you do realize that Joel Osteen didn't start the ministry, right?
Yes, his dad did. Then he expanded it to poor areas. He still does a lot for impoverished communities around Houston.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:10 pm to dpd901
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If you believe for a second that Jesus would want his disciples, those preach his faith to be living in mansions and wearing Versace and driving Bentleys while there are people starving to death, you're a retard and you're the one needing to brush up on your scripture,
All I need for you to do is show me the scriptures. It's not about my opinion or yours. Simply show me the scriptures.
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Find me one passage in the Gospels where Jesus says material wealth on earth is the reward for Salvation. Just one!
That relates to this how? Who is talking salvation? There is no relation to the subject.
Show me one where be poor is a requirement of or the reward for following Christ.
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Woe to you who are rich, for you have received your comfort, woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry"--
Out of context. Let's talk about who was around when Jesus was saying that. Then let's look at who those people were and compare that to the teachings of Christ.
Pharisees. It goes back to what they were about. They placed there hopes and trust in their wealth. Instead of serving God with it, they only served themselves.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:12 pm to KCT
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How were they living in multi-million dollar homes if they weren't taking in much money?
Just one example is the brother.. a Surgeon!
Somebody Else mentioned another was a lawyer.
What about the estate of the father? Could he have left the kids with money? Isn't that a normal thing to do?
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Also, you do realize that Joel Osteen didn't start the ministry, right?
Yes.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:17 pm to CITWTT
I never understood why this guy rustles so many jimmies
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:22 pm to CITWTT
I have nothing against Osteen or any other telepreacher. What I don't understand is why people send them money without a complete accounting of where that money is going and how its being used.
The whole tithing thing fascinates me. God said to give him the first 10% of your earnings but its impossible to give God money. Many of these preachers are quick to say that giving them your money satisfies your tithing obligations. Its the same as giving to God.
I'm not buying that one.
The whole tithing thing fascinates me. God said to give him the first 10% of your earnings but its impossible to give God money. Many of these preachers are quick to say that giving them your money satisfies your tithing obligations. Its the same as giving to God.
I'm not buying that one.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:23 pm to TK421
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Yes, his dad did. Then he expanded it to poor areas. He still does a lot for impoverished communities around Houston.
That's an understatement! LOL! Anybody who wants to know can actually look it all up. I listed just 16 areas and organization they help fund that are what the Bible calls us out to do! There were alot more. Battered women, abused kids, the list is long.
But hey.. it's not enough because the guy still has money! Bankrupt it all! That way the church or the Osteens can no longer give. I know a lady who left a hundred thousand to the church for the youth program. The church put that in an investment and the youth got the profits off of it every quarter. It became a life blood. Had they just spent the money, it would have shortened the life of the money.
Not only that, the church does have a lot of classes that teach the Bible. ALOT! Just because the guy is called to do what a lot of DYING churches refuse to do (raise the babe's in Christ up by encouraging them in life) he is picked on in the Christian community.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:27 pm to wilfont
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What I don't understand is why people send them money without a complete accounting of where that money is going and how its being used.
100% AGREE!
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The whole tithing thing fascinates me. God said to give him the first 10% of your earnings but its impossible to give God money.
Not exactly. He said to bring it "into the storehouse that there might be meat at my table"
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:31 pm to HempHead
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Sometimes, I contemplate becoming a pastor and just absolutely swim in cash. Unfortunately my conscience won't let me.
Although I abhor people like Osteen that make merchandise of their flocks, to believe that anyone could do what he does is not realistic. First, you have to be very charismatic, a good speaker, a people person and have a good grasp of the bible. It would be no different if you thought you could simply be a coach in the SEC if you wanted. That ain't happening.
Plus Osteen didn't achieve this kind of status overnight.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:32 pm to darkhorse
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He said to bring it "into the storehouse that there might be meat at my table"
First of all, thanks for the clarification. I spoke without knowing the bible's exact wording on the matter.
But I still maintain Jesse Duplantis' 38,000 square foot home is not the storehouse God had in mind. Jesse may well be a good man but he's always seemed off to me.
The long and the short is that some of these preachers are probably well intentioned, honest and giving people and some aren't. Best to know who's who.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:52 pm to wilfont
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Jesse Duplantis
LOL! Ok.. i have to admit. I like listening to him on the occasion simply due to his accent. He is funny
Now to his money. I thought his family had money before he ever started preaching. Not sure. I don't keep up with him except to laugh every now and then.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:54 pm to darkhorse
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Jesse Duplantis
is he that old white dude who thinks he's black?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:55 pm to wilfont
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The long and the short is that some of these preachers are probably well intentioned, honest and giving people and some aren't. Best to know who's who.
I think that I missed this. AND I agree with it. I have met christians artists who were just bad people. I have met others in other industries who were down to earth and as nice as they could be.
The point is that in every field. In every Church, you have the good and bad. However, I refuse to label everybody as "bad" due to the few.
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