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Joe Rogan Experience with Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz
Posted on 4/21/18 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 4/21/18 at 3:21 pm
These are two of my favorite thinkers of the modern era, and just felt like I should share this with the board: LINK
Maajid is a fricking hero and a key figure in reforming Islam to the modern world. I encourage everyone to listen to him.
Maajid is a fricking hero and a key figure in reforming Islam to the modern world. I encourage everyone to listen to him.
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Posted on 4/21/18 at 3:24 pm to OMLandshark
Watched that last night while doing some computer work. Was interesting to hear about his lawsuit with the SPLC
Posted on 4/21/18 at 3:26 pm to OMLandshark
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Maajid is a fricking hero and a key figure in reforming Islam to the modern world. I encourage everyone to listen to him.
Why? frick Islam
This post was edited on 4/21/18 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 4/21/18 at 3:30 pm to the LSUSaint
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Why? frick Islam
Because he’s the one trying to change Islam and turn it into modern Christianity. Obviously you’re a dumb hick who simply hates him because he’s a Muslim, but the guy literally puts his life on the line to make the world a better and more enlightened place. It’s highly likely his death will entail an Islamist murdering him. He is hero and should be treated as such. You should frick off.
This post was edited on 4/21/18 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 4/21/18 at 3:50 pm to OMLandshark
quote:in no way is islam compatible with Christ, absolutely no way...damn, people are so ignorant and stupid
change Islam and turn it into modern Christianity.
Posted on 4/21/18 at 4:03 pm to burdhead
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in no way is islam compatible with Christ
You have the audacity to call others ignorant?
Muslims literally believe Jesus was a Prophet.
Also, that wasn’t even the point of his comment. The point was about getting Islam to a point where the awful parts of their holy texts aren’t taken so literally by a massive amount of the Muslim population.
You know, kind of like how Christianity got its shite together over the course of a thousand years.
This post was edited on 4/21/18 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 4/21/18 at 4:07 pm to burdhead
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in no way is islam compatible with Christ
Christianity as practiced in the 14th century isn't compatible with Christianity today.
Posted on 4/21/18 at 4:12 pm to Manzielathon
"only begotten Son of God" verses a damn prophet is a big difference, dumbass...yep, ignorance is alive and well
Posted on 4/21/18 at 4:24 pm to burdhead
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verses
Stop calling other people ignorant you fricking moron.
People like you make all Christians look bad, just like the extremists that people like Maajid are combatting.
Posted on 4/21/18 at 4:37 pm to Manzielathon
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This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 4/21/18 at 4:40 pm to OMLandshark
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Joe Rogan Experience with Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz
These are two of my favorite thinkers of the modern era,
I'm glad Harris was able to cajole Rogan into giving Maajid this exposure, but I don't find Maajid himself to be terribly interesting or insightful.
Harris, on the other hand, is quite possibly my favorite person alive. Did you listen to the Ezra Klein one they finally posted a few weeks back? I wish Sam would keep mentioning over and over until Klein relented how absurd it was that Klein called the ATTACK against Charles Murray and his female host a "scuffle". A fricking scuffle? That implies: a)not that serious, b)both sides wanted to tangle. For chrissake, the poor woman GOT A CONCUSSION. frick these motherfrickers.
Posted on 4/21/18 at 4:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I'm glad Harris was able to cajole Rogan into giving Maajid this exposure, but I don't find Maajid himself to be terribly interesting or insightful.
This.
Posted on 4/21/18 at 4:51 pm to Manzielathon
compromise is why you are blind to facts and truth....there is no peace with islam, you either become one or you are an infidel....why don't you just look it up in their "holy book" and see what they say to do to "infidels"....you are a fool if you believe that they want to reconcile with Christianity....you can't eat at the table of the Lord and the table of devils, dumbass
This post was edited on 4/21/18 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 4/21/18 at 5:28 pm to burdhead
I’ve lived overseas in a Muslim country, you have no fricking idea what you’re talking about.
I’ve literally seen with my own eyes Muslims and minority Christian communities live peaceably side by side and participate in each other’s religious festivities.
People like you only add fuel to the fire of Islamic extremists with your blatant ignorance and inherent mistrust of opposing religious groups.
I know people in supposedly backwards, third world, shithole countries who are more educated, less ignorant, and less hateful than you are.
You are literally the flip side of the coin of the Islamists that Sam & Maajid spend so much time talking about.
I’ve literally seen with my own eyes Muslims and minority Christian communities live peaceably side by side and participate in each other’s religious festivities.
People like you only add fuel to the fire of Islamic extremists with your blatant ignorance and inherent mistrust of opposing religious groups.
I know people in supposedly backwards, third world, shithole countries who are more educated, less ignorant, and less hateful than you are.
You are literally the flip side of the coin of the Islamists that Sam & Maajid spend so much time talking about.
Posted on 4/21/18 at 5:35 pm to OMLandshark
Libs in denial
Posted on 4/21/18 at 5:39 pm to Manzielathon
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I’ve literally seen with my own eyes Muslims and minority Christian communities live peaceably side by side and participate in each other’s religious festivities.
I work with Muslims and like any religion, some are good/nice and some just don't like you. Most are nice though.
I've talked to them and they say Jesus is a prophet. I have no problem with other religions....it is everybody's choice to believe what they want. That is what is suppose to be great about our country.
I know you people think I'm crazy, but my only concern is when/if the globalists take over the world and form a one world government, religion, and currency.
This post was edited on 4/21/18 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 4/21/18 at 5:41 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I'm glad Harris was able to cajole Rogan into giving Maajid this exposure, but I don't find Maajid himself to be terribly interesting or insightful.
I don't think Harris or Nawaz are all that insightful about Islam.
Posted on 4/21/18 at 5:53 pm to OMLandshark
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Maajid is a fricking hero and a key figure in reforming Islam to the modern world.
I disagree. His audience is in the West, not in the places where Muslims live. Imagine if the Enlightenment took place in the Ottoman Empire, in Turkish, with writings and arguments directed toward a Turkish audience. If there has to be real change, then the scholarship has to focus on the Islamic languages of learning and in those languages. Saudi funded Islamist preachers are still massively popular in the Islamic world, and are taking advantage of the fact that Islamic clergy, save for the Shia (who are their own beast) are unorganized, yet I'm supposed to believe Nawaz, who has produced no major work on Islamic jurisprudence, certainly nothing that could resolve the issues with Islam and modernity, is a major thinker? Nawaz does a good job engaging with people who are skeptical of Islam, but I'm skeptical he'll be influential in the Islamic world, unless he gets major backing.
The school of Islam that has the majority of the problems is the Hanbali school. Why should the Hanafi, Maliki, and Shafi'i schools change because the Wahhabi/Salafi subsect of the Hanbali school is the source behind nearly every terrorist group in the world (save for Hezbollah)? How people were convinced that Ibn Taymiyyah represented orthodox Islam and not the Sufi orders which had a much richer history in every Islamic sect is beyond me. The Sufi orders were moderating influences in many ways, and many were unique to the areas they were developed (as in Algerian Sufi orders were slightly different from Turkish which were different from Indian). The Sufi tradition, which has a much more robust history than the early Islamic orthodoxy (especially out of the the 2nd caliph Umar, who wanted Islam to be a warrior caste with Arabs on top and conquered people on bottom) is a better conduit for Islamic schools to move toward modernity, in my view.
This post was edited on 4/21/18 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 4/21/18 at 5:59 pm to crazy4lsu
I definitely agree with you on the point that Maajid does next to nothing to promote ideological change within the Arab World itself. That’s a tough nut to crack and would be more deserving of a title such as “hero”.
That being said I see value in what he does in the West and hope that he, with an Islamist background himself, is able to contribute meaningfully to steering Western Muslims away from extremism.
That being said I see value in what he does in the West and hope that he, with an Islamist background himself, is able to contribute meaningfully to steering Western Muslims away from extremism.
Posted on 4/21/18 at 6:07 pm to burdhead
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turdhead
aptly named
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