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Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:20 pm to
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
8201 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:20 pm to
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That not accurate at all, though.

The first assessment came back no hacking of election infrastructure.

The soft influence stuff is well-documented and not really in dispute. That’s the assessment that was part of the subsequent statement.


Did the Russians steal the election?

Even your hero Bill Barr said there was No Predicate for the entire Russia, Russia, Russia hoax investigation.

However, his name was Seth Rich.

Later gas lighter.
Posted by Bronco11
Member since Jul 2022
469 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:20 pm to
Posted by Bronco11
Member since Jul 2022
469 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:23 pm to
Since it's the NYT running this, which means Goldman probably organized it, likely means the annex drops tomorrow from Grassly.
Posted by FLTech
Member since Sep 2017
25374 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:23 pm to
Did you know that this Russia hoax is the reason 75% of TDS have TDS? It has divided and broken our country and the entire thing was a lie
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5669 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:26 pm to
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Did you know that this Russia hoax is the reason 75% of TDS have TDS? It has divided and broken our country and the entire thing was a lie


He knows this but would never admit it. That is why he is considered a joke. He/she/it is scum in a nutshell.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73292 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

boosiebadazz


Are you completely ignorant of the recent declassified documents showing that rank and file agents were bluntly stating to leadership that they had no hard Intel confirming Russia interfered specifically to help trump?


Are you completely ignorant of the fact that the Intel commmunity was set on 12/8/16 to publically confirm Russia interfered to sow discord, and then plans were suddenly scrapped and the assessment changed to “interfered to help trump”
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84606 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:28 pm to
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You are seriously trying to equate likes on Facebook to hacking into the Secretary of State’s emails?


No, they go into the second bucket I told Wednesday. Not the hard hacking of voting machines. The soft influence bucket.

Y’all are mad Obama detailed those for the American public.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
141718 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:31 pm to
Why didn’t Obama punish the Russians for hacking into the most protected servers in the US?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84606 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:32 pm to
He was telling Putin to stop it in September of 2016:

LINK
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84606 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:33 pm to
He did. Here is the press release on it:

LINK
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 7:33 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162989 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:35 pm to
I knew when I read MISTER TRUMP it was Brennan. He is so deranged he always refuses to say President, regarding Trump.

You posted a paywalled article full of no doubt complete hyper partisan gaslighting.

Why you can't get it through your head they CREATED intelligence... Endangering relations with a country that could end earth.

Your premise you post as your evidence to make your point, is Trumps sarcastic remark

Political lawfare is not your strong suit.
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 7:43 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33445 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:35 pm to
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Trump said in a July 27, 2016 news conference.

I hope youre a better attorney than this.
quote:

The clients for Fusion GPS were the Democratic Party and Clinton campaign. This relationship began in April 2016

April comes before July, and Hillary was already compiling the RUSSIAN dossier
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In June 2016 Fusion GPS hired Orbis Business Intelligence, a private British intelligence firm, to look into connections between Trump and Russia. Orbis co-founder Christopher Steele, a retired British MI6 officer with expertise in Russian matters, was hired as a subcontractor to do the job.

Again, June comes before July.
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) had sought Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants in connection with its investigation of the myriad links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies. According to Mensch, the first request for a warrant which "named Trump" was denied in June 2016

Also in June
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Steele delivered his reports individually to Fusion GPS. The first report, dated June 20, 2016

June 20th is 5 weeks BEFORE Trump ever mentioned Russia in regards to Hillary
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In early July 2016, Steele called seasoned FBI agent Michael Gaeta, who was stationed in Rome, and asked him to come to London so he could show him his findings.

Anddddd, yet again, early July is before July 27th

Hillary was 90 days into trying to frame Trump for Russian collusion, before Trump said a peep about Russia and her emails
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17002 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:35 pm to
NYT

Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66986 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:36 pm to
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The next documents in the chain show that not only Clapper’s office but others, including the FBI, were relatively unconcerned about Russian interference. Figures like Virginia Senator and key Russiagate figure Mark Warner are already dismissing Gabbard’s report as an attempt to “cook the books” by comparing “apples and oranges,” the apples being Russian efforts to attack “election infrastructure,” the oranges being “influence” operations. But emails dating back to September 2016 show a dismissive attitude toward both concepts, as well as a lack of conviction about Russia’s ability to impact or “disrupt” the election outcome in any way.

LINK
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In between all this, an important detail is being lost. Democrats are hammering an “apples and oranges” argument, saying documents showing intelligence officials planned a Presidential Daily Briefing on December 9th, 2016 that would say “Foreign adversaries did not use cyberattacks on election infrastructure to alter the US Presidential election outcome” and “We have no evidence of cyber manipulation of election infrastructure intended to alter results” were meaningless.

As Himes put it, the fact that “Russians could not use cyber tools to mess with the voting infrastructure, the machines that tally our votes” was “true then, and it is true now.” Two things about this statement, disingenuous in multiple ways:

One is a crucial fact left out of Saturday’s Racket article on the DNI releases. Had the intelligence community gone forward with a Presidential Daily Briefing that said Russia had not attacked infrastructure in a way “intended to alter results,” it would have been seen by a key audience: Donald Trump. Presidents-elect are entitled to read Presidential Daily Briefings. During the transition, Trump’s National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was already being read in, and would have seen the planned December 9th text downplaying Russian interference.

“I would have seen it,” Flynn says now. “I was reading the PDBs at that point.” Asked yesterday if he thought that might have been a reason for holding the planned draft, Flynn said, “Very likely.”

Second, the notion that Russia interfered with actual vote tallies was no fringe conspiracy theory then. It was widely believed by Democratic voters. This was almost certainly a consequence of a two stage process that began with the flood of news stories based on leaks from intelligence sources beginning on December 9th, 2016. These not only alleged Russia interfered to help Donald Trump in an aburpt about-face from pre-election stories, but focused heavily on Russian hacking.

Within a week — by December 16th, 2016 — Hillary Clinton was publicly calling the election “unfair, not free, illegitimate,” adding, “Vladimir Putin himself directed the covert cyberattacks against our electoral system, against our democracy, apparently because he has a personal beef against me.” The New York Times ran the audio:

LINK
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73292 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:38 pm to
Are you playing dumb?

I am not denying Russia interfered.

I am talking about the fact that the IC had no hard evidence they were interfering to help trump specifically.

Answer the fricking question:

Why did the IC scrap their initial 12/2016 statement stating Russia interfered to sow discord?
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
5365 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:40 pm to
OP, you’re a modern day, proud, white American, liberal male. And even though, the whole world hates your kind, you’ll continue to fight hard on sports message boards, defending your views. You may not be respected, but you are laughed at, and that’s ok.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162989 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:46 pm to
I don't think even Taibbi's excellent breakdown of all of this could get through some hardheaded skulls, that are playing stupid or watch too much CNN.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62220 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:50 pm to
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Seems like the US Government servers for the third highest office in the Executive Branch would be capable of blocking a phishing scheme?


It was an unsecured email server.

It’s unheard of…implausible that a SOS could do that without an intended purpose to be hacked.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162989 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:53 pm to
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7943 posts
Posted on 7/30/25 at 7:55 pm to
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I chose to focus on the part where Trump asks Russians to do something in July, they do it within hours,


Now do the dossier and the DNC and the Clinton's and the law firm and explain all that to everyone on this board
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