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re: JFK Zapruder Film Analysis (2 shots only)

Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:07 pm to
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:07 pm to
I thought the grassy knoll would have been forward right of the vehicle, thus all factors matching up relatively well for that theory, i.e. entry in the front right quarter of the head, exit left rear quarter??
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 9:10 pm
Posted by SlickRick55
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:17 pm to
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I thought the grassy knoll would have been forward right of the vehicle, thus all factors matching up relatively well for that theory, i.e. entry in the front right quarter of the head, exit left rear quarter??


It’s forward and right a little bit, but go to Google maps and look at the “X” on Elm Street and line that up with the grass knoll fence line. Very close to a perpendicular shot.
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:20 pm to
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Oswald made a previous assassination attempt on someone just months prior to Kennedy and failed. Kind of like Jeffrey Epstein, he succeeded on the second attempt.




figures you would be stupid enough to think epstein killed himself

Of course why would NY democrats kill a loyal democrat donor and transport supporter?
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:22 pm to
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Such a tired trope that usually ignores the elevation difference between the rear and middle seats, and the fact that Connally was seated inboard of the President.

That removes the super duper elements. Its relatively pristine state accounts for its magic aspects.
Posted by tigerinAR
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:31 pm to
I’ve always been fascinated by the assassination and wanted to believe it was someone other than Oswald. Maybe Oliver Stone had something to do with that. But after visiting the book depository, I was surprised at what a short distance it was from that window to the X marked spots on the street. I would think just a decent marksman could have made those shots.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 10:39 pm to
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At this point who cares? It doesn’t change the fact that JFK was assassinated. Everyone who could possibly be connected is dead. It’s just like proving FDR allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor to get the USA in WWII.


If elements within our government planned and executed the assassination of the leader of the free world and President of the United States, they can do it again whenever they please. It’s only the difference in living as a citizen in a constitutional republic, or a subject in some kind of shitty hybrid fascist state, where the people think they have a say in how the country is ran, but really don’t… at all. Who cares, right?
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 11:49 pm to
I have two worthless theories. First, if you accept that Oswald took a shot at a general a month or so earlier, his actions after the assassination somewhat make sense. Oswald for whatever reason decides to take a couple shots at Kennedy but in the aftermath has no idea what is transpiring. Perhaps he has no idea if he even hit Kennedy much less killed him. When the cops show up he decides it’s time gtfo of there, but again having no idea the condition of the president. He catches a bus, then a cab and somewhere between there and home probably begins hearing news reports. By the time he gets home he’s in panic mode, grabs a pistol and bounces. Officer Tippett encounters a panicked Oswald who then shoots and kills him.

Second theory concerns the fatal shot to the head. It’s clear his head goes front to back at the time of the fatal shot and this typically indicates a shot coming from the front. However, there are two other factors in play here. One is the heavy back brace Kennedy was wearing that somewhat restricted his forward movement. The second that absolutely no one talks about is the car itself. Testimony indicates the car began
to slow down after the first shot to the point that the SS agent caught up to it on foot and was climbing onto the trunk. If the fatal shot occurred as the driver stepped on the gas, the whiplash front to back action we see with Kennedy’s lifeless head makes sense. He’s hit from behind, but the back brace prevents continued forward movement while simultaneously the car begins to rapidly accelerate throwing Kennedy’s lifeless body backwards along with his head.

Again, just my worthless 2 cents.
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:34 am to
Oswald was a CIA asset. I watched a great documentary on Oswald’s life, his mistress in NOLA and the ties to Dr. Oschner developing a contagious cancer that they tested on monkeys and inmates to see how fast they would get sick and die, and the overall reason was for Oswald to get close enough to CASTRO in Cuba to be able to pass the disease to him and the Cabal to kill Castro with no links to the USA assassinating him.

These people at the top are so calculated and have been 10-D Chess for centuries, they just laugh at us chasing the ball.
Posted by SlickRick55
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 5:20 am to
If you slow the Zapruder film way down, Kennedy’s head actually moves forward for a frame or two immediately at impact. The backward movement is due to two things, nerve stimuli in the neck/head, and the “jet effect” (the blast that a larger exit wound creates). This has been proven and re-created may times with tests done on watermelons, goat heads, and other objects.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:49 pm to
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But after visiting the book depository, I was surprised at what a short distance it was from that window to the X marked spots on the street. I would think just a decent marksman could have made those shots.

Same experience. Thought the same thing. Even over open iron. The target wasn’t moving very fast, almost stopped at one point it seems.
Posted by Tammany Tom
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 12:59 pm to
The unedited Zapruder film clearly shows the secret service agent in the front seat of the car turn around and shoot JFK. Thus why Jackie tried to crawl out of the car on the back trunk.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:07 pm to
Not to be morbid but what’s your explanation for why his brains travelled backwards? Jackie picked them up from the back of the car, not the front seat.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:12 pm to
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It’s forward and right a little bit, but go to Google maps and look at the “X” on Elm Street and line that up with the grass knoll fence line. Very close to a perpendicular shot.

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:41 pm to
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The backward movement is due to two things, nerve stimuli
bullshite

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the “jet effect”
A "jet effect" would never account for the violent rearward head movement evident in the Zapruder film. Nor would it explain JFK's skull and brain matter blown over the limo's left rear trunk, and all over the motorcycle cop riding ~15ft to the left and rear of the limo. A skull fragment hit the left trailing motorcycle cop with such velocity that he thought momentarily he'd been shot.


This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 1:43 pm
Posted by TheBeezer
Texas
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 1:45 pm to
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It’s just like proving FDR allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor to get the USA in WWII.


Or the Bush admin knowing about the 9/11 hijackers and thus allowing the attacks to occur...
Posted by SlickRick55
Member since May 2016
2877 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 6:48 pm to
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A "jet effect" would never account for the violent rearward head movement evident in the Zapruder film. Nor would it explain JFK's skull and brain matter blown over the limo's left rear trunk, and all over the motorcycle cop riding ~15ft to the left and rear of the limo. A skull fragment hit the left trailing motorcycle cop with such velocity that he thought momentarily he'd been shot.


I agree, jet effect alone would never account for that, but you said “bullshite” to the nerve stimuli contribution, so I don’t know what there is left to say. And when you shoot a human skull with a high powered round, you can’t expect bone, brain matter, and bullet fragments not to fly out in all directions. There were findings on the driver, on Gov. Connally , on the seats, floorboards, windshield, dash, and trunk.
Posted by perch
Member since Jul 2013
261 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:08 pm to
there is no unedited zapruder film. the original film was taken and altered. if you look close enough you will see the buildings in the background are different than the buildings in real life.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:38 pm to
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but you said “bullshite” to the nerve stimuli contribution, so I don’t know what there is left to say.
Well, I'm a physician and it's kind of my field, so if there was a case to make, you should have plenty to say.
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And when you shoot a human skull with a high powered round, you can’t expect bone, brain matter, and bullet fragments not to fly out in all directions
No sir! Sorry!
We aren't talking simple blood splatter or a bio debris field radius. We are talking kinetic velocity. Again, a piece of skull hit the trailing motorcyclist with enough directional velocity to give him the impression he'd been shot. That's different from the bio spray found forward in the limo. No brain or skull fragments TTBOMK were found forward in the limo. Large amounts were evident behind and to the left of impact.
Posted by philter
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 7:49 pm to
Not sure about the buildings but the film has frames missing that were never seen and never will be.
Posted by SlickRick55
Member since May 2016
2877 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 8:45 pm to
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No sir! Sorry! We aren't talking simple blood splatter or a bio debris field radius. We are talking kinetic velocity. Again, a piece of skull hit the trailing motorcyclist with enough directional velocity to give him the impression he'd been shot. That's different from the bio spray found forward in the limo. No brain or skull fragments TTBOMK were found forward in the limo. Large amounts were evident behind and to the left of impact.


Ok, you got me curious now, tell us what really happened.
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