re: Jesus was from Nazareth

Herod: Kind of Judea (born there). Not a fricking Jew. For the tiny minority that refuse to accept history.

Antipas was a son of Herod the Great, who had become king of Judea, and Malthace, who was from Samaria.[12] His date of birth is unknown but was before 20 BC.[13] Antipas, his full brother Archelaus, and his half-brother Philip were educated in Rome.[14]

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was written down by many human authors over many centuries, led by the one Spirit of God with a unified purpose of progressive revelation with Jesus as the culmination of it all. It is infallible.

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The entire bible was transcribed by a Jew and then put on paper by another Jew but I’m sure they got all the facts correct

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Diamonds don’t explain themselves to dust.

People that know the difference between an Alexandrian Jew, Roman Jew, etc are the ones I want to talk to.

I’m sorry but this is factually incorrect based on what the record shows about the historical figure Jesus.

History shows a man named Jesus likely lived around the time indicated in the Christian Bible. He also became the center point for a religion that started around the same time and became popular because of its spread by the Romans.

Over time, Christianity’s Middle Eastern origins were abstracted away.

• Jesus was routinely depicted as white and European.

• Biblical landscapes were imagined like English or Italian countryside.

• Theology focused on church authority, sacraments, kingship, and law—things that mapped neatly onto medieval European society.

But the real irony here is Christians are:

• Suspicious of Jews and Muslims.

• Often hostile to the actual Middle East.

• Yet utterly devoted to a faith born there.

That argument doesn’t really work. Nazarene just means he was from Nazareth in Galilee, which was Jewish. Geography doesn’t determine whether someone is Jewish.

If someone wants to make a serious historical argument, the better claim isn’t that Jesus wasn’t Jewish, but that he wasn’t Rabbinic Jewish, because Rabbinic Judaism didn’t exist yet. Jesus lived and taught within Second Temple Judaism, which ceased to exist after 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed.

After that collapse, the religion fractured into two surviving paths:
• Rabbinic Judaism, built largely on the Pharisaic tradition
• Christianity (The Way), a Jewish messianic movement centered on Jesus

So yes, by modern categories, Jesus would be ethnically Jewish, but he was never a Rabbinic Jew, and many of his sharpest disputes were with the Pharisees, whose approach later became the foundation of Rabbinic Judaism.

There is no theological bond because Jesus and those before and around him did not practice what is now known as the modern Jewish religion. That religious system did not yet exist; from a Christian perspective, Rabbinic Judaism is a post-Temple, heretical offshoot, while Christianity represents the continuation and fulfillment of the faith of Abraham.

The Old testament said He would be born from the house of David.

It works Scripturally. I don’t know enough to speak on etymological reasoning.

Pay attention to the overview of Moses, Jethro and the Levites in Numbers. Draw a timetable:

They (Nazirite) likely involved with the setup of the system of “Judges.” Phinehas (Aaron/Levite) killed them later.

If you assume the individuals detailed in Numbers 6 are (Nazirites) then this timeline fits perfectly. Not only does it fit, it’s likely the correct reading and church people may need to reevaluate.

This reply should be stickied honestly but I’m sure it’ll be buried with the rest of the coherent conversation attempts here.

The “pre-Christian Nasorean/Nazorean sect” theory (academic but minority)
- Some 20th-century scholars (especially in German-speaking scholarship: e.g., Rudolf Bultmann, Ernst Lohmeyer, and later Matthew Black) noticed that “Nazorean” (?a???a???) is spelled differently from the normal word for someone from Nazareth (?a?a????? / Nazarenos).
- They suggested ?a???a??? might deliberately echo an older Hebrew/Aramaic term ????? / na?ar (“to guard, watch, keep”) or the noun ????? / ne?er (“branch, shoot”) from Isaiah 11:1 (“a branch shall grow out of Jesse”).

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The Levites were straight killers

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They wrecked Shechem

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Lots of neighboring tribes killing each other just like we see in Africa now and on an industrial scale in Ukraine.

Have humans really changed much except in terms of technology?

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Lots of neighboring tribes killing each other just like we see in Africa now and on an industrial scale in Ukraine. Have humans really changed much except in terms of technology?

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Have you read the Aramaic book of Levi? This was a massive slaughter and not the Biblical whitewashing that we are all accustomed to.

A slaughter. Enough for the whole tribe(s) of them to be cursed. Check it out.

I can link a download of it if you’re interested. It’s like $250 elsewhere. LMK

LHG our Lord and Saviour hailed from Nazareth and Galilee; which were both culturally Greek neighbourhoods.