re: Jesuit Priest Claims LGBT Books for Kids are Like Sharing Jesus’ Parables

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nobody knows Jesus's judgements except Jesus

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I mean, there's multiple books written by His disciples about that, but yeah, other than that, it's a complete mystery.

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1. Show me the commandment.

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The 7th commandment, specifically. That covers all sexual sins. You see this further illustrated for homosexuality in Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Timothy 1:10, as well as being condemned in the OT. The OT commands against homosexuality are moral law commands (and abiding) rather than ceremonial (fulfilled in Christ).

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2. So all your sins will be forgiven, but not others.

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All sins will be forgiven for anyone who is trusting in Christ alone to save them. This saving faith will manifest itself in repentance of sin and a life long fight against sin. Anyone who thinks that they can have homosexual sex (or any sin, for that matter) without consequence is evidencing that the Holy Spirit is not at work in them, convicting them of their sin, and that they do not possess a true and saving faith in Christ. Those who have been born again will struggle with sin and grieve over it.

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Jesus says if you believe you will do as he does, which is follow the commandments. Otherwise, you are just worshiping the idol.

The only thing saved by the death of truth is the lie, and the lie will live until the truth returns. You belong to the religion of Saul the Pharisee, not Jesus.

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I think you are either misunderstanding me, or misunderstanding what it means to be a Pharisee. I do not believe anyone is saved by good works, but good works are a fruit and evidence of saving faith. Therefore anyone who is saved by faith in Jesus Christ will show evidence of that salvation by good works, including fighting against sins like homosexual lust and actions.

Clearly you reject the Scriptures and therefore reject God’s own revelation. Peter called Paul’s writings scripture (2 Pet 3:15-16).

You need to put your trust in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. There is no hope apart from Him. This is found in the Scriptures, where even Jesus’ words were recorded by those who were not Jesus but inspired by the Holy Spirit.

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No, the 7th commandment does not cover it.

If you don't also want to kill your crops for how they plant their crops, then you argument is not based in the bible, it's based in your own biases and you are merely using the bible as an excuse.

Those are laws of man, not laws of God. And all you did was quote Saul the Pharisee, who looked to bring OT laws as you mention to his new religion, not Jesus.

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The 7th commandment covers all sexual sins, like rape and bestiality, so yes, it also covers homosexuality.

Since you refuse to listen to Paul, here is what Jesus taught:

Jesus affirmed that marriage is between a man and a woman (Matt. 19:4-6), and that to even look at a woman with lust is breaking the 7th commandment (Matt. 5:27-28).

Therefore for even homosexuals to look upon each other with lust is breaking the 7th commandment, and since they cannot biblically get married to alleviate that problem, homosexuality is a sinful sexual expression.

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Idol worship, which is against the commandments and is a sin.

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I only worship the living, Triune God. There is no idol worship here.

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One of the first things the holy spirt will teach you is to not pay attentions to labels, but to instead go in the way of understanding.

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Says who?

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Idol worshp is a sin because it puts emphasis on the idol rather than the understanding.

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Idol worship is sin because it exchanges the truth for a lie and worships the creature rather than the creator. Worship belongs to the true God alone.

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You believe you are saved by human/god sacrifice. You think are saved by washing your sins away in the blood of an innocent. Because you belong to the religion of Saul and his version, NOT JESUS.

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Only the God-man Jesus can take away sin. If you do not believe this then you are still in your sins. Repent and put your trust in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins before it is too late.

In addition, Jesus taught that He was sent into this world to die to save people from their sins, so this isn’t just a Paul thing: Matt. 20:29; Matt. 26:28; Luke 19:10; Luke 22:19-20; John 3:14-17; John 6:51; John 10:11, 15, 17-18; John 15:13.

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I have some questions.
Do you consider yourself a Christian?
Let’s start there.

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No. Christianity is the religion created by Saul the Pharisee, not Jesus.

The only thing saved by the death of truth is the lie, and the lie will live until the truth returns.

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Clearly you reject the Scriptures and therefore reject God’s own revelation. Peter called Paul’s writings scripture (2 Pet 3:15-16).

You need to put your trust in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. There is no hope apart from Him. This is found in the Scriptures, where even Jesus’ words were recorded by those who were not Jesus but inspired by the Holy Spirit.

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I had a vision and met God directly, and gained understanding from what you would call the holy spirit. In reality, nothing of this world can ever compete, and no man can tear down my church, which was built on the rock of understanding.

In the end, I do not give a crap what scripture says. However, I recognize the father in Jesus and that what he says is in fact true, because it's the same things I learned. As such, I also know when it's being manipulated into something else, and that is what Paul does when he turns Jesus into an idol and teaches people to idol worship.

You are asking me to put my trust in an idol because you are an idol worshipper. Instead, I put my trust in the truth, the way and the light, of which Jesus is a true expression of. Completely different.

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Jesus affirmed that marriage is between a man and a woman (Matt. 19:4-6), and that to even look at a woman with lust is breaking the 7th commandment (Matt. 5:27-28).

Therefore for even homosexuals to look upon each other with lust is breaking the 7th commandment, and since they cannot biblically get married to alleviate that problem, homosexuality is a sinful sexual expression.

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You are quoting scripture out of context and applying your own. He was asked if it lawful for a man to divorce his wife, to which he replied no. Christians however do believe in divorce, the opposite of the scripture you quoted.

Personally, I've been married only once and have been for a few decades now.

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I only worship the living, Triune God. There is no idol worship here.

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You worship "Jesus" instead of the truth, light and way. Always you have faith in "Jesus", never faith in the things he represents. It's the EXACT reason why idol worship is against the commandments. And it's also the reason Jewish people feel justified in enslaving Christians and a major complaint from Islam on Christianity - the religion of Paul.

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Says who?

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Knowledge of the holy is understanding. Labels are how men communicate with each other, it's not how the father gives.

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Only the God-man Jesus can take away sin.

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Idol worship.

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If you do not believe this then you are still in your sins. Repent and put your trust in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins before it is too late.

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More idol worship. You have to keep the commandments, of which you can do once you have understanding given by the father or what you call the Holy Spirit. The understanding that will be given to you is that of the truth, the light and the way. Jesus is only a true expression of it and an example for you to follow. Jesus tells you the same thing - if you believe you will do as he does, and he kept the commandments.

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In addition, Jesus taught that He was sent into this world to die to save people from their sins, so this isn’t just a Paul thing: Matt. 20:29; Matt. 26:28; Luke 19:10; Luke 22:19-20; John 3:14-17; John 6:51; John 10:11, 15, 17-18; John 15:13.

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You're once again resorted to quoted things out of context. You are saved by the truth, the way and the life, not the death of flesh. The only thing save by the death of the truth is the lie, and that is why he was murdered by the religious leaders and government of his time.

I'll give you the same challenge every other Christian runs from. Explain to me why Jesus lied to the rich man. He told the rich man it was easier to get a camel though the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven. Yet Paul and the church tell the same rich man he only need to believe Jesus was a human sacrifice and his innocent blood will wash away his sins.

Because Jesus did NOT say what Paul did. Nevermind the fact Jesus tells people bluntly - that which follows me has nothing in me, and that which follows Jesus and creates the religion is NOT Jesus, but rather Saul, the Pharisee who persecuted Christians until he found a way to manipulate it and turn it into an idol worshipping death cult.

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I had a vision and met God directly, and gained understanding from what you would call the holy spirit. In reality, nothing of this world can ever compete, and no man can tear down my church, which was built on the rock of understanding.

In the end, I do not give a crap what scripture says. However, I recognize the father in Jesus and that what he says is in fact true, because it's the same things I learned. As such, I also know when it's being manipulated into something else, and that is what Paul does when he turns Jesus into an idol and teaches people to idol worship.

You are asking me to put my trust in an idol because you are an idol worshipper. Instead, I put my trust in the truth, the way and the light, of which Jesus is a true expression of. Completely different.

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OK, so you are a false teacher who rejects the word of God in favor of his own personal experience. Got it. No need to discuss any further.

You need to repent of your idolatry and turn to the one, true God by faith in Jesus Christ, or else you are still in your sins and will perish in them.

No amount of good works of "understanding" will save anyone.


ETA: I'll respond to this one since it is more of a generic apological issue. You are lost, so this is more for those who may be reading this.

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I'll give you the same challenge every other Christian runs from. Explain to me why Jesus lied to the rich man. He told the rich man it was easier to get a camel though the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven. Yet Paul and the church tell the same rich man he only need to believe Jesus was a human sacrifice and his innocent blood will wash away his sins

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Jesus didn't lie to the rich man. He was showing him that he claimed to have kept the whole law but failed in the very first commandment. The rich man had made an idol of his own riches and possessions and could not leave them to follow Jesus.

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(Read all of Proverbs 9, not just the single verse, context is always important and there are more details)

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Would you please elaborate? I’m not disagreeing with your statement, just curious as to what you see, contextually, in Proverbs 9 that I may be missing.

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You know, fear is an interesting choice of words here. I think many believe that to mean fear as in - oh my he can do bad things to me, I fear that. But that's not actually what that means at all. I do not fear God in that manner at all. It's actually more about respect, and understanding the father son/relationship we have with God. And much like the way you may fear letting your parents down, I fear letting God down in the same way.

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I agree. Fear, in this context, does not mean horror/terror, etc. Respect is a good term- reverence is a better one (IMO). But I think we mean it the same way.

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Btw, the path Jesus talks about is a real thing. If you would like a modern explanation, I'll be happy to share.

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Please do. Also, what’s your problem with Paul?

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Would you please elaborate? I’m not disagreeing with your statement, just curious as to what you see, contextually, in Proverbs 9 that I may be missing.

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It's really proverbs 8 and 9, in regards to understanding and the importance of it.

The other way is to just be pure of heart, and to just naturally be a good person. They can do it without understanding.

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Please do. Also, what’s your problem with Paul?

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It's not that everything Paul says is wrong. It's that he takes the emphasis from the understanding and the things Jesus represents and puts them into the idol of Jesus himself.

Where he says things like only by Jesus can we do this, only by Jesus can we do that. What it should really be is that - only by the truth, the way and the light can we do this, only by the truth the way and the light can we do that.

And when you see things in that way, rather than the idol, then you keep the commandments, etc.

I like to use math as an example, because it's a form of understanding most of us have. You are kind of born knowing 2 is more than 1. Math is the expression of it, and the application of it. When you understand math, you understand not only the 1+1=2 is a true statement, but also why. And because of that understanding, you also can recognize without being told other expressions. 254+46=300. You may have never seen that expression before, but if you understand math you can recognize it right away. And it's in that same way that I see the father in Jesus.

Likewise, when you understand math, nobody will ever convince you that 1+1=5. You just know better. And thus, the real church is built on the rock of understanding, NOT the religion or expression. And because you have that understanding, you can apply it to your everyday life in a useful manner.

So when I see Paul, I see him saying 1+1=2, and I see Christians saysing 1+1=2. And I see, yes that is a true statement. However, Paul puts ALL emphasis on the 1+1=2, worships the 1+1=2, doesn't allow for any other expressions and then applies the laws of the Pharisees which may or may not be true while praising the 1+1=2.

When I learned, I was basically shown to not put importance in the labels, what matters is the understanding behind them. I apply to this everyone, I don't like at D/R, I look at their actions etc. Labels are just how man communicates, it's not how God gives - which is understanding directly. In terms of a spoken language, I was only ever asked a single question.

Now, the path. This starts with understanding that which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit. The flesh meaning the physical universe/creation itself, and the spirit meaning consciousness, your soul, the limited perspective of the father, aka the son.

As science kind of hints at, all that is possible "exists". This is required for free will. In the perspective of God at the highest level, there is no time, the creation is static. When in the perspective of the son or lower levels, aka, us our souls. We are the product of the limited perspective. So when it's said you can't really see God in full, it's because your limited perspective will be wiped out, and you'll just return to God, return to source, whatever you want to call it.

So a 4D reality is really a bunch of 3D realities within a certain "distance" stacked. I'm guessing you are familiar with the thought experiment flatland. We experience the movement in it as time, and as a linear path. However, the actual directions of our movement is based on our choices - aka free will.

This is easy to demonstrate, tommorow there can be 2 futures/paths. You can go out and rob a bank, or you can go out and make a friend or something else. If you choose to rob that bank, your future and path after is likely to be kind of bad. If you instead choose to go make a friend or do something else, probably a much better outcome. Your choices will decide.

Now, on a grander scale - if you are someone who is a thief, you can not live in a society without theft. Your very presence makes the society not exist. So as you choose to take a path other than that of following the commandments, you go towards things people would associate as hell. If however, you keep the commandments and you make the right decisions, then you lead to a part of creation that you would associate as heaven.

Also why we were removed from the Garden. If you want to go back - you have to keep the commandments. Be the change yourself.

My entire experience happened after looking at all the evil in this world, and then I was in the mountains looking at the stars, which are much more plentiful without light pollution. I thought about all those stars, all those possible worlds, all the time of the universe, all the things I didn't know and I asked - of all that is possible, why do I find myself here in this world full of evil. God answered and gave me understanding, and the primary part was - keep the commandments. No in terms of the 10 commandments of the bible, but that those are the same basic rules and understanding.

The best way to keep people from keeping the commandments is to convince them they are forgiven even if they don't. And as they do not keep them, they will not follow the path and they will not find heaven - at least not until they change their paths. And that's the good news, we can do that at any time, so it's mostly a matter of what it takes to wake us up.

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It's not that everything Paul says is wrong. It's that he takes the emphasis from the understanding and the things Jesus represents and puts them into the idol of Jesus himself.

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Do you believe that Jesus is God in the flesh? Who/what do you think Jesus is?

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Where he says things like only by Jesus can we do this, only by Jesus can we do that. What it should really be is that - only by the truth, the way and the light can we do this, only by the truth the way and the light can we do that.

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JOHN 14:6
6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

I need a better understanding of who/what you think Jesus is (and how you arrived at your conclusion) before we go any further. You appear to have a low view of scripture, and Christianity in general- so I would like to know , well, a lot of things, but let’s start with who/what Jesus is (to you) and why. Maybe you could also explain your view of scripture.