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re: Jesse Kelly with the hard truth on the GOP abortion issue
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:07 am to Gaborkiraly8
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:07 am to Gaborkiraly8
Two different elections
No GOP'r can win a primary and be Pro Choice
Hard to win a general though and be Pro Life
"only guilty people need immunity"
DJT
No GOP'r can win a primary and be Pro Choice
Hard to win a general though and be Pro Life
"only guilty people need immunity"
DJT
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:13 am to VOR
Severe being the operative word. I think people are repulsed by the abortion up to (and past) delivery regime that the Marxocrats would like to impose nationally. The wise play would be to keep their twisted aims in the spotlight and to mount resistance to it. 6 week bans with no exceptions are NOT going to be favored anywhere and they give our foes ammunition.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:13 am to VADawg
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This is bullshite. I'd be willing to bet that >95% of abortions are nothing more than late stage birth control.
100%
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:14 am to VADawg
They can try to dishonestly sugar coat it all they want, but I would bet it's greater than 95% of abortions that are late stage birth control... and this bullshite they say about most abortions only eliminating a zygote or mass of cells is complete horseshite too. The overwhelming majority of them are performed on developing babies with beating hearts, brains and a nervous system that feels pain.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
So our only option is to submit to Leviathan? How about . . . NO!
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:And fall.
Developed societies move left over time.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:24 am to msutiger
I have no idea how the Rs can’t recognize the fact that abortion is a losing issue. Just like trans rights are for Ds. I mean frick
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:27 am to jawnybnsc
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So our only option is to submit to Leviathan? How about . . . NO!
Given that we're a democracy and abortion is exceedingly popular with the population that votes within that democratic framework, what else can you do other than focus on winnable policies?
As the Art of War says
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If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:29 am to StrongOffer
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Developed societies move left over time.
And fall.
Correct. At some point, we will split. This isnt doable.
Our "system" failed to educate enough people to have a modern economy. It is benefitting fewer and fewer.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:30 am to Old Character
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I have no idea how the Rs can’t recognize the fact that abortion is a losing issue. Just like trans rights are for Ds. I mean frick
The OP is all about how it's a losing issue.
Just because we see it doesn't mean we have to accept it. If the product of our winning is corruption and sexualization of youth, up being down and infanticide, what have we won, exactly?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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At some point, we will split. This isnt doable.
Unfortunately, that split will be much worse than anyone expects.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:31 am to FooManChoo
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I think you're just looking to label people
Sure, because they're a specific subset of the right. They're a hot topic since Trump's policy positions came out yesterday.
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who feel passionately against abortion, even to the point of political loss
Yes. This is relevant, again, especially given what happened yesterday.
Trump didn't create that position for the left. He created it for people that you're describing (and I gave a label to).
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in a negative way.
There is the victim complex of the martyrdom showing
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:36 am to msutiger
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It has to start in the home.
It's already in the home, and failing.
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I think we have to focus on the institutions as well, but if we aren’t developing that moral foundation in the next generation it is pointless.
If you have no way to reinforce that moral foundation, you've already failed, in a democracy.
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You don’t bring that profile back to life by transforming it into everything you stood against.
You can only save it by being smarter than your opponent, which understands you have to put some ideas/policies on the back burner when you're in a position of weakness because they're only palatable when you're in a position of cultural strength and dominance in the population. Otherwise you're just going to further marginalize yourself.
This "everything or nothing" requirement won't work, especially when you're the minority (and an extreme minority with this specific policy issue).
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I think it is more about the way you frame it. I think there is a massive difference in standing up for what you believe in, regardless of the consequence and what you are kinda hinting at which is “I want to die for this cause so I’ll feel good about myself.”
It's not about "feeling good about yourself". It's about dying for a perceived higher purpose/cause.
Again, go back to OP.
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that kinda means we’re not a people worth saving.
There shouldn't be a shock that you see this martyrdom-sacrifice complex in population cohorts more associated with doomsday scenarios (like the Rapture).
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Hmm.. so acknowledging and rejecting that you are attempting to castigate those of us who are passionately against abortion (by saying we have a syndrome) is also a victim complex?
There is the victim complex of the martyrdom showing
It sounds like you are misusing actual psychological issues for the sake of winning an argument on an internet forum. Defending yourself is not exhibiting a victim complex any more than standing up for what you believe in is exhibiting a marytr complex.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:36 am to jawnybnsc
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So our only option is to submit to Leviathan?
You're going to do that one way or another, until you get smart and figure out a path to becoming the majority population.
What is muh fight worth when it just makes you weaker in the end?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:37 am to msutiger
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Half of the right doesn’t stand for anything at this point.
As a member of the right, I stand for lower taxes, smaller government, little foreign intervention, more personal freedom, and common sense. If my view on the role of government was to use them to force my beliefs on others, I would be a leftist.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:41 am to FooManChoo
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Hmm.. so acknowledging and rejecting that you are attempting to castigate those of us who are passionately against abortion (by saying we have a syndrome) is also a victim complex?
There's nothing negative in describing what these people are doing. The fact that you perceive it as a negative is telling, however.
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It sounds like you are misusing actual psychological issues for the sake of winning an argument on an internet forum.
It's not a "psychological issue". It's a world view, a personal POV of socio-political issues.
Again, you're projecting something that doesn't exist. It's telling.
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Defending yourself is not exhibiting a victim complex any more than standing up for what you believe in is exhibiting a marytr complex.
If your "defense of something you believe in" is a guarnteed loss, and the purpose of taking this loss is for a higher message/power, then it is the definition of a martyrdom complex.
The original term martyr is a person punished for religious beliefs in the face of the majority. When you center this behavior in the political context, it changes nothing.
What you seem to be struggling with is the guarantee that you will lose, and that you only hurt your position within the political context of reality today.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:41 am to msutiger
A national abortion ban won’t happen. The only place to fight this is locally. No, you won’t stop abortions in leftist cesspools like New York and California, but you can prevail on the issue in other states.
A large population of women have no issue killing a baby. That is the truth. Personally, it makes me sick, but I understand the impact of this issue on electability of Republicans and that is what yesterdays announcement was about
A large population of women have no issue killing a baby. That is the truth. Personally, it makes me sick, but I understand the impact of this issue on electability of Republicans and that is what yesterdays announcement was about
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:43 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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If my view on the role of government was to use them to force my beliefs on others, I would be a leftist.
There is a poisonous population of MAGA who sees this as Leftism.
It's part of the "libertarian to authoritarian" pipeline.
You'll see terminology like "we're too far gone for that" or "we need power to exterminate [perceived out group] before we can rebuild society with less authority" or "only a moral society can exist without a strong government" etc.
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