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re: JD Vance: President Trump and I will not stand for it.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:37 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:37 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Except he is advocating for blatantly disregarding the 5th and 14th amendment. I get yall hate Illegals...and hell so do I...but not granting due process means ice could pick up just anyone and ship them out and claim they were illegals. Due process is simply doing the due diligence to prove they are illegal.
So Vance is totally off base here, and nobody should be supporting this
So Vance is totally off base here, and nobody should be supporting this
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:39 am to Riverside
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Finally some pushback on the left’s idiotic “due process” argument!!!
yeah that pesky due process argument in the 14th amendment of the constitution...we can't have that /s
"Section 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:42 am to SUB
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Due process? We aren’t saying that we need to jail them all. We are simply sending them back home
and this is the issue...MAGA doesnt know what due process is. It isn't the sentencing, it's proving that someone is in fact illegal in a court of law.
Why a court of law and not just checking papers? well firstly, we arent nazi germany where we are required to show our papers to any lawman who asks... secondly, no matter what people say, the lawman can lie. Court allows someone to bring proof before court for a ruling in front of a judge.
so yes, due process is necessary to make sure we arent sending innocent people out of the country. The fact it is afforded to non citizens in turn protects citizens.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 12:43 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 1:13 am to GamecockUltimate
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I get yall hate Illegals...and hell so do I...but not granting due process means ice could pick up just anyone and ship them out and claim they were illegals. Due process is simply doing the due diligence to prove they are illegal.
So Vance is totally off base here, and nobody should be supporting this
I'm not being snarky when I ask this, but what steps should be required for this due process to determine whether someone is in this country illegally or not? Should it require a trial? Being here legally vs illegally seems pretty binary, and not really a potential "beyond a reasonable doubt" situation.
I understand the constitutional and "slippery slopes" concerns, but we know what usually happens when illegals are detained and given a court date. They're released and disappear until they're picked up on some other charge. In the rare occasion that they show up to trial, activist judges go easy on them and refuse to deport.
Trump has done a phenomenal job closing the border, but the deportations haven't come close to what he promised (I never expected him to follow through with "mass" deportations). But if the Trump admin doesn't get aggressive with the deportations, then leftist judges will make it pretty much impossible to accomplish. Biden ignored immigration laws and not only let foreigners cross the border at will, but he flew them straight on in from their 3rd world countries. If Trump decides to play by the rules (unlike Biden), then we'll barely make a dent in the illegal population, and the next dem in charge is going to start flooding the country again.
Democrats are NEVER going to follow the law when it comes to immigration, so why should Republicans (at least the few that actually care about immigration)? I don't give a shite if Trump is skirting the law. The realistic worst case scenario is that legal immigrants (but still non-citizens) get deported. We have too many legal immigrants anyway, so frick it.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 1:20 am to Riverside
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Finally some pushback on the left’s idiotic “due process” argument!!!
Due process is idiotic?
Posted on 4/16/25 at 1:44 am to GamecockUltimate
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It isn't the sentencing, it's proving that someone is in fact illegal in a court of law.
It might be proven illegal based on the fact that our election in 2020 was illegal. Flying in all these "undocumented" migrants (why would ANYONE be okay with this!) to help overthrow our country by a false president....might just be illegal. So maybe you have an argument, but the whole nature of our government operation has been usurped. I think the illegal election trumps (pun intended) any "so called legal" trafficking that happened under the fake president's watch.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 1:58 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
That is beautifully written. Eight years as POTUS, then he should be on SCOTUS.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 2:03 am to oklahogjr
Be quiet, all the Democrats crying Due process, gimmie a frickin break.
They weren't crying when all these "immigrants" were being let it, except when they flooded red cities like NewYork,
Every body shouting due process , this fricker had 2 deportation orders against him, he got his due process, now his arse is where he belongs and he been here 14 years
They weren't crying when all these "immigrants" were being let it, except when they flooded red cities like NewYork,
Every body shouting due process , this fricker had 2 deportation orders against him, he got his due process, now his arse is where he belongs and he been here 14 years
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 2:19 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 3:36 am to GamecockUltimate
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nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
Biden's failure to follow the process of law and thereby flooding our country with illegals threatened our life, liberty, and property.
Trump is finally giving the American people the process we were due by reversing the threat as quickly as possible.
You can't get any more Constitutional than that.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 8:07 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 3:57 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Well said. Deporting millions of illegal immigrants will also lower inflation and reduce the cost of things like housing/rental market, there will be no ‘shortages’ of any kind it will free up resources for our educators, police, and hospital staff. Low IQ illegal immigrants are a drain on society and are costing this country billions per year.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 4:02 am to GamecockUltimate
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Due process is simply doing the due diligence to prove they are illegal.
We already know Kilmar Garcia is an Illegal Immigrant who has had a deportation order since 2019. He’s already had due process. He’s not coming back here.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 4:03 am to oklahogjr
quote:You're welcome to go with them...
oklahogjr
Posted on 4/16/25 at 4:04 am to wfallstiger
quote:Progressives and liberals are nothing but ticks.
Progressives always want others cake for their consumption...they are humanities black hole
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:15 am to cmac5125
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What I don’t understand is how an illegal alien is entitled to what the constitution affords our citizens—due process. If they are illegal, they should have no rights whatsoever. Why do they get the benefit of our courts at the expense of American taxpayers?
Well that is the first step and it makes the rest of the argument a nonstarter.....its why people like okie like to skip over it.
Same with these clowns on campus and "free speech". When you infringe on the rights of others to move freely, you have violated their rights, and you are a guest not a citizen, ya gotta go home.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:20 am to oklahogjr
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Sure as they didn't believe women should vote
In their wisdom, they knew the emotionalism of females should have no part in leading and guiding a nation.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:30 am to oklahogjr
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Which is pretty terrifying for this of us who love America...
Im not sure which parts bout America you claim to love, but if we continue to allow the eradication of our traditional American values(which is occurring continuing to become a welfare state) the good parts of America and what made it great won't be around much longer.
Whether some realize it or not, 4 years under Harris/Waltz would have sealed our destruction.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:34 am to GamecockUltimate
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nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
If a person is here illegally and not a citizen, wouldn't that person still be considered to be under the jurisdiction of his home country, where he is a legal citizen?
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 5:35 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:38 am to GamecockUltimate
Come here illegally? "Due process!"
American citizen driving in Yemen? "hellfire missiles!"
The only bed rock principle appears to be is it a Democrat pulling the levers or not.
American citizen driving in Yemen? "hellfire missiles!"
The only bed rock principle appears to be is it a Democrat pulling the levers or not.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:46 am to oklahogjr
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Due process?
OK FOOL - we can tie up every court in America for 30 years to hear why 5 million POS should stay here.
They skipped Due Process coming in so they can skip it going our
Posted on 4/16/25 at 5:51 am to oklahogjr
quote:which law?
as if they give a single damn about the rule of law
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