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re: January 6th Committee Includes Videotaped Testimony of Pat Cippilone

Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

*Excerpt from Draft Coup Plan*

At what point does a legal strategy become a coup?

Why wasn't Al Gore arrested for his coup attempt after the 2000 election?
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:07 pm to
Swamp is deep
Posted by keltonAve
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2022
202 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:09 pm to
Nothing in your Atlanta leak constitutes evidence of fraud
from an evidentiary standpoint.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

Right, because 2016 also had issues with Covid.

Wisconsin did an extrajudicial "ballot stuffing" opportunity in 2020 with:

rules on what is and isn't grounds for absentee. Wisconsin politicians decided to go the ballot stuffing opportunity.

Mark "outrageous facebook election thief" Zuckerberg supported ballot trafficking in Wisconsin and paid for it. Mark has the makings of a back stabbing bastard like Soros.

the WI senate leader Vos abandoned honest WI voters by choosing to weasel out of honesty on numerous occasions.

WISCONSIN WAS AN ELECTION THEFT CHEAT FROM THE GET GO
This post was edited on 7/12/22 at 9:53 pm
Posted by CrimeStoppers
Member since Apr 2017
62 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

Washington DC wanted Trump removed from office and they all worked together to make it happen.


... or you could have swallowed the sane pill and accepted the curb stomping Joe Biden gave him.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

During the January 6th hearings, videotaped testimony of Scalia's nephew and Pat Cippilone was provided, showing that both of them advised him (Trump) that he should have conceded the election back on December 14, 2020, and that there was no credible evidence of widespread election fraud.


No evidence? There was loads of evidence by then and none of it was investigated besides the FBI psychologically waterboarding the USPS whistleblower
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167343 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:28 pm to
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We all know they think they can prevent Trump from running, but how does that actually play out IRL? He'd have to be charged with a crime and convicted right?
There have been several news stories out that they will charge Trump. Garland doesn't care that the DOJ would look like hacks. I think they will go with an indicted, impeached former President cannot run again. Even if they have to pass the law somehow. Or put it into the GOP plank.

Rumors of a grand jury ready for Trump. Rumors of a law of a certain age to run for President to pass. Since they need Biden gone first-to do the age thing- they will indict Trump.

Trump is surrounded by the MSM and the uniparty-who could survive this?
This post was edited on 7/12/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32733 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

At what point does a legal strategy become a coup?


I’m assuming this is referencing the legal framework of conspiracy. I’m thinking “act in furtherance” is what you’re looking for.

quote:

Why wasn't Al Gore arrested for his coup attempt after the 2000 election


Going through the courts to challenge election results in the appropriate way isn’t a coup. Gore conceded when his court challenge was up.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:32 pm to
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77631 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

... or you could have swallowed the sane pill and accepted the curb stomping Joe Biden gave him.



Literally no one believes this. The difference is, the leftists don't care that their side cheated their asses off because they agree with the results.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47572 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

Going through the courts to challenge election results in the appropriate way isn’t a coup.


Thats exactly how this is playing out. a protest at the capital doesnt make it something more, anymore than liberals wigging tf out in Kavanaugh's front yard changes recent court rulings.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

At what point does a legal strategy become a coup?


When a buffoon like Decatur enters the room.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

I’m assuming this is referencing the legal framework of conspiracy.

No it was the purported legal theories to fight the election results. That's not a coup or an insurrection or whatever boogeyman word you use.

quote:

I’m thinking “act in furtherance” is what you’re looking for.

I cannot decide who is more histrionic: the Qtards who believed this shitty legal theory could work, or the Libtards who...believed this shitty legal theory could work.

quote:

Going through the courts to challenge election results in the appropriate way isn’t a coup.

That's effectively all that Trump was trying to do.

quote:

Gore conceded when his court challenge was up.

Concessions have no legal effect and the 2020 election was fricked up b/c of the liberal strategies to weaponize Covid to ramp up Democratic participation. There is literally 0% of a dispute that this occurred. The only dispute is whether or not this moved into "Fraud" territory (and that hasn't been fully litigated and never will be).
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167343 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 3:59 pm to
Read this briefing of the J6th committee's hearing. LINK

Notice: Liz Cheney interjects a diatribe how the crazies/fringe like Powell & Flynn were at fault-Judge Cheney says it is Trumps fault OMB! DO YOU HEAR HER? OMB!

Also who died and let Cheney get everybody ever in Trump's orbit's text messages?

This post was edited on 7/12/22 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32733 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

No it was the purported legal theories to fight the election results.


Having the military seize voting machines isn’t the way that election results are contested in this country.

quote:

or the Libtards who...believed this shitty legal theory could work.


Hey I’ve always been of the opinion that this was a harebrained concoction from the beginning. But this could have ended up going in a number of dumb directions had there not been a few real attorneys in the room to shut down the nonsense.

quote:

2020 election was fricked up b/c of the liberal strategies to weaponize Covid to ramp up Democratic participation.


Oh no more people got to vote.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 4:14 pm to
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Having the military seize voting machines isn’t the way that election results are contested in this country.

If there is an attack on national security that is possible.

If you favored Covid-based regulations that destroyed our most basic and fundamental rights. I don't want to hear about this high-minded belief that something more threatening to our country couldn't affect other rights.

Was that coordination to thwart Trump a coup? Eradicating protections on voter fraud aren't how elections are supposed to happen in this country, either, yet there we were in 2020 having all sorts of elections systems doing stuff they had no infrastructure, training, or regulations to do properly.

quote:

I’ve always been of the opinion that this was a harebrained concoction from the beginning.

Then you don't think it was a coup.

quote:

Oh no more people got to vote.

Did they, though? How do you know who filled out MIV ballots? When you permit unregulated and un-monitored mail in voting with ballot harvesting, you have no idea if those votes were valid or not. It destroyed the integrity of the elections.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20992 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

If you have a very broad definition of "evidence".

Dinesh D'sousa science fiction ain't evidence.


No one seriously challenges it. They cackle for a fleeting moment, stamp their foot, turn, and walk away.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77631 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

SlowFlowPro

We don't agree often, but in this case, your assessment is spot-on.

Nicely stated.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20992 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

Having the military seize voting machines isn’t the way that election results are contested in this country.


Need to start with how the election was conducted to begin with.

And there's a place for the military to intervene.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110941 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 5:43 pm to
When did Trump concede the election versus failing to concede in light of his attorneys' suggestion?
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