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I’ve brought this up before, but a big positive way to reform inefficient govt bureaucracy

Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:15 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:15 pm
Let bureaucratic managers and other govt planners keep a portion of the costs they save through innovation and efficiency

If a manager figures out a way to run some govt office with 20 employees instead of 30, let him keep (as a bonus to himself or herself) a portion of the savings that come from not having to pay 10 extra employees.

This somewhat mimics the profit motive of markets. You need to incentivize innovation and efficiency.


Under the current system, if a bureaucracy fulfills its goal using less funds than it needs, its funding is cut the next year and nobody is rewarded for the efficient cost cutting


I am stunned this isn’t a basic aspect of government at every level
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27147 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:17 pm to
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reform inefficient govt bureaucracy


Run it like a business and it will self correct and could include what you suggested as some incentives...
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51806 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:18 pm to
Dangerous precedent.

What would VA or CMS managers cut so they could "save" money?
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:18 pm to
Yep, I have said it for years. Allow the fund site to keep 10% of the fiscal savings to spend as they wish, the rest gets kicked up to the next fund site in the chain. They keep 10% and so forth. Until you get to the Dept level, all the saving goes directly to reducing the debt.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:19 pm to
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What would VA or CMS manners cut so they could "save" money?
There would no longer be 300 flat screens purchased in Sept to zero out accounts.
Posted by theCrusher
Slidell
Member since Nov 2007
1133 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:20 pm to
No. Here's the fix.

1. Term limits
2. Balanced Budget Amendment
3. No Unionization for Government workers
4. No Government Pensions. 401ks like the rest of us
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140539 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:21 pm to
Gov agencies rush to spend money so that they don’t get their budgets cut.


It’s ridiculous
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37527 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:22 pm to
End use it or lose it budgeting. If you don’t use it, that’s fine, the same amount will be budgeted.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27147 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:23 pm to
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Gov agencies rush to spend money so that they don’t get their budgets cut.


Yep... Actually incentivized to waste money on things that are not necessary during that budget year so they can keep that level of funding for the next year...

Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:23 pm to
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Gov agencies rush to spend money so that they don’t get their budgets cut.
It typically starts in July, you start planning on how to burn through the moneys in Aug/Sept time frame before the accounts get locked.

It's how 300 flat screens end up on a military base some 4K units being used to display the lunch menu at the chow hall.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20896 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:23 pm to
This will drive nepotism and outright bribery.

It is not hard to imagine how some politican could place people favorably to be lined up for a big payday, especially for defense contracts.

Why drive down costs when they use it for political points to be sold on the public dollar?
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16303 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:24 pm to
Nothing will ever pay better than corruption.
Posted by Paul Maul number 37
Member since Feb 2009
1111 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:28 pm to
I would prefer that ALL federal government programs be administered by the individual states as each state sees fit. Many would not want every program and many would find the right mix of privatization/government-run approaches. The states that do things the best would be copied by the other states. You would get 50 approaches rather than one. One of those approaches is bound to be better than the others, or the one currently in use.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69306 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:29 pm to
Another potential reform


Govt can “play the invisible hand” by shutting down individual govt offices that citizens report as seriously bad at service

If the DMV in eastern New Orleans gets horrid reviews, replace the entire staff with new employees

This will incentivize govt offices to respond to needs of the people. It would essentially be like a terrible burger joint going out of business because customers hated it.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20896 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:31 pm to
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ALL federal government programs be administered by the individual states as each state sees fit


Eh, do you want say New York having full control of say West Point, Fort Drum, Niagra Air Force Base, Watervliet Arsenal, etc?

That might not turn out well in the days ahead.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69306 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:33 pm to
What I want at a basic level is for bureaucracy and govt to be treated like private firms, subject to same constraints, same incentives, etc

Funding contingent on how customers/users view your performance

Rewarded for delivering a service people value at lowest possible costs
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112489 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:35 pm to
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Gov agencies rush to spend money so that they don’t get their budgets cut.


You don't need to cut their budgets. When the Flat Tax was first proposed there was sound evidence that merely freeing govt budgets would shrink the deficit significantly. Govt. runs on an expected increase in their budget every year. Stopping the increase is framed as a 'drastic cut' but it's not.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20896 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:37 pm to
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What I want at a basic level is for bureaucracy and govt to be treated like private firms, subject to same constraints, same incentives, etc



Other than privatizing those industries I am not sure thats possible on a big scale.

Aside from the stakeholders (who also would have to legislate this) having too much to lose politically, any govt is essentially a monopoly, especially the military. Supply and demand is legislated there, not set by the market, so theres a fundamentally different game going on.

I say this as someone who has done work on both sides of that coin.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8006 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:41 pm to
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This somewhat mimics the profit motive of markets. You need to incentivize innovation and efficiency.


It's really difficult to do in practice and has been attempted numerous times, and this in particular is why it often fails - there is no real feedback mechanism.

In a market, sales, prices, market cap, et al are an immediate, ruthless feedback mechanism as to whether your economization or innovation actually provided value - it's extremely difficult bordering on impossible to gauge whether your public organization is providing value like a private organization. It throws management incentives all out of whack.

As a small example: a typical mounted infantry company in the American military has between $70 to $100 million in assets. If you incentivize the managers (the commanders) to economize, how would you actually measure whether that organization is just as good? You can devise some measurement mechanisms (e.g., training scoring systems and so forth), but over time, those systems get gamed and quality slips. Your VA example is another - if the NOLA East VA is gauged on customer satisfaction (which is really not a good thing in healthcare, but that's another conversation), then they'll just game the hell out of that system.

There just aren't good substitutes for true market feedback (pricing, sales, etc.). It's what makes public services fundamentally different.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Wasp
Off Highland rd.
Member since Sep 2012
1483 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:44 pm to
So how do you feel about for profit charter schools?
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