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re: I’ve been struggling lately with what freedom really means...
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:30 am to baybeefeetz
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:30 am to baybeefeetz
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Would love to hear you expand upon the extent to which you want government to dictate to people what they should do with their money and their business.
Note that I didn’t say anything of the sort.
But Bay-area tech companies using platforms to censor people based on something that didn’t practically exist 10 years ago (misgendering), isn’t freedom. I don’t have to pretend it is.
It could be there’s no solution. It’s likely there’s no solution.
I still don’t have to pretend it’s a free market or evidence of freedom.
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:31 am to The 22nd Doctor
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You aren’t a conservative. You are an anarchist.
Conservatism as it is currently formulated is simply a slower trip to subjugation. No thanks.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:36 am to PrimeTime Money
It's for freedom that Christ set us free. Jesus is the truth, and if you know the truth, you will be set free.
This is not political freedom but spiritual freedom. It transcends politics. If Jesus has set you free then political tyranny cannot enslave you.
This is not political freedom but spiritual freedom. It transcends politics. If Jesus has set you free then political tyranny cannot enslave you.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:43 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:You are in good company with some of the greatest minds in the history of humanity. Moral philosophers have been asking the same question for millennia. (Bass mentioned Locke, for instance)
I’ve been struggling lately with what freedom really means...
So what is freedom?
In my view, no one living in any society is completely "free," because EVERYONE is bound by the rules and mores of society. To some extent, "freedom" might be defined as having at least the option of selecting the society to whose rules and mores you will allow yourself to be restricted. For instance, you had essentially zero "freedom" in the Soviet bloc, because you did not have the OPTION of selecting a different society.
In another sense, POLITICAL freedom (a subset) would seem to be living in a society with a minimum of GOVERNMENTAL coercion, because all societies will generate some level of SOCIAL coercion. Your focus upon Big Tech is (in my view) a focus upon SOCIAL coercion.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 11:55 am
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:52 am to the808bass
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In the Marxist narrative, it is imperative for the oppressed (as defined by Marxism) to oppress the oppressors. One of the recent “New Discourses” podcasts goes over this in depth with the reading of neo-Marxist Herbert Marcuse’s essay on “Repressive Tolerance.”
The problem with that entire philosophy is that in order to enforce such tolerance you have to engage in oppression, thus becoming the very thing the oppressing group strove against. The more adamant the holders of the philosophy are that their way remain, the more oppressive they must be in order to maintain the status quo. Where they may now have freedom, they do so at the cost of freedom of others.
Where the rubber meets the road though is in the details. What specific freedoms and oppressions are being talked about? It's one thing to postulate about something so generalized like "the negative impacts of post-industrial capitalist oppressive dogma" but it's a completely different thing to discuss the minimum wage increase and debating it between the platforms of small business owners who simply can't afford it on their 7% margins or the workers who are struggling to make ends meet while inflation continues to eat away at their minimum wage paychecks (all other arguments like "find another job" or "get a degree" or "make solar panels" put aside).
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:53 am to Bard
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The problem with that entire philosophy is that in order to enforce such tolerance you have to engage in oppression, thus becoming the very thing the oppressing group strove against.
Of course. But they’re never really all that self-aware.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:20 pm to mmonro3
Because society has decided that if you handle the freedom to own a gun irresponsibly then you ought not own one
My freedom ends at the tip of your nose or in this case, at the range of a bullets impact on your life
My freedom ends at the tip of your nose or in this case, at the range of a bullets impact on your life
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:30 pm to HubbaBubba
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Freedom is the same as it always was. Free to stay off Facebook, Twitter, TV, politics, etc.. and just go about your life.
Do all that and you won't notice that the water around you is getting warmer.
basically you're saying ... mind your own business and you won't notice the changes in our freedoms until it is too late to do anything about it. Great Plan!
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:36 pm to GoT1de
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The law abiding majority
If you consider congress in 1968 the law abiding majority.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:37 pm to The 22nd Doctor
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You aren’t a conservative. You are an anarchist.
I’ll take it
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:58 pm to theunknownknight
Anarchy represents the destruction of civilization. Everything good. It is openly rooting for evil.
Good to know that about you.
Good to know that about you.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 1:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
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. I never even thought large corporations and groups of private citizens could do what they’ve been doing lately to silence and harass people.
Literally fascism
Posted on 2/3/21 at 1:10 pm to PrimeTime Money
Are there any countries in the world currently that are more “free” than the United States?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 1:23 pm to The 22nd Doctor
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Anarchy represents the destruction of civilization. Everything good. It is openly rooting for evil.
Civilization is not “everything good”
When civilization becomes a basis for tyranny, it needs to be destroyed
Posted on 2/3/21 at 2:00 pm to theunknownknight
So you’re saying you want to kill your fellow citizens?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 2:18 pm to The 22nd Doctor
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So you’re saying you want to kill your fellow citizens?
21 out of 22 doctors understand there is a distinction between civilization and citizens
One is comprised of ideas, laws, systems, accepted hierarchies, and methods of enforcement used to unite people who accept this structure to become citizens
The other is, well, the citizens
I choose not to accept the structure anymore. It’s broken and favors rich, greedy assholes
Posted on 2/3/21 at 2:59 pm to theunknownknight
Ok bro. Good to know how you think.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:27 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:This is a really important question you are asking - and one that needs a really learned answer.
I used to think freedom from government was what freedom was all about. I never even thought large corporations and groups of private citizens could do what they’ve been doing lately to silence and harass people.
So what is freedom? If corporations and private groups can “cancel” you, is that freedom even if it’s not the government doing it? If private citizens are free to do what they want, are they free to oppress others? It’s a paradox.
What are your thoughts on this kind of private tyranny?
This article does that. It is a WONDERFUL read. Spend about 5 to 10 minutes reading it - you will be glad.
Liberty, Law, and the peril of Arbitrary Power
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:47 am to mtb010
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What if new 'laws' were created that took your guns away and said you can only eat meat on Saturdays and Sundays?
Not sure if serious
How long you been on this board? Most know what I'd do
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