re: It's because people stopped going to church. They simply don't know right from wrong.

I don’t know about that. I’ve been an atheist for the past 20 years since my teens and I’m all in on the conservative movement and have been my whole life. I don’t need church to guide my moral compass, just try to be the best human I can. I think religion is definitely good for some people, it’s just not for me. I have full respect for people like Charlie Kirk for preaching what he believed in and agreed with him on 99% of his viewpoints.

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I don’t know about that. I’ve been an atheist for the past 20 years since my teens and I’m all in on the conservative movement and have been my whole life. I don’t need church to guide my moral compass, just try to be the best human I can. I think religion is definitely good for some people, it’s just not for me. I have full respect for people like Charlie Kirk for preaching what he believed in and agreed with him on 99% of his viewpoints.

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Not to derail this thread, but morality in atheism is subjective by definition

There simply can’t be a separation of church and state. They go hand in hand. To think otherwise would go against what God would want.

Nothing has been more clear to me than this:
Being silent in the face of evil is a sin.

I woke up with that on my mind Sunday morning after days of rage then prayer.

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People stopped having morals and I don't think that has anything to do with Church. I don't go to Church but I have morals which come from how I was raised not from listening to a pastor.

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And where do you think those morals came from?

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Also what happened alot in my generation(mid 30s) is when we actually found out what these Priest and Pastors having been doing to children for 100 years while covering it up and like many we totally turned away from traditional church because many of the pastors and priest are the worst of the worst in society.

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That’s not the reason you don’t go to church. That’s the excuse you use to justify it. Come on now. Get in the Word. And get in a church that preaches it.

Proverbs 27:17 New American Standard Bible 1995
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

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For example, Charlie Kirk’s assassin will most likely be killed by our government justice system, and Christians will cheer.

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You just skimmed Genesis, huh?

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Wonder how native Americans, or Mormons, or zaoists, taoists, Buddhists, or others could possible have morals without the Bible?
Quite perplexing.

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Not perplexing at all. In the post you responded to is the answer.

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Proverbs 14:12 says, "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death"

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You are clearly correct. In no way are you twisting a clear message to fit your own ideology. You are obviously not deceiving yourself. Thank you for showing me the light.

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You deny the distinction in the unlawful taking of a life vs the just killing in just circumstances.

You are willfully obtuse.

Killing a homeless man, sleeping peacefully in his tent is much different than killing a man actively savaging your daughter.

You know this
I know you know this
You know I know you know this

And thusly, I know who and what you are

American culture glorifies consumerism, material wealth above all else and toxic individualism. American culture does not elevate charity, generosity or even basic kindness. Our culture doesn’t value church attendance. It values likes and follows.

Charlie Kirk, a social media influencer, was senselessly and tragically murdered the same day minors were targeted and shot at school. This board has been inundated with thread after thread about the death of the influencer with barely any discussion about the children shot at school. That speaks to the priorities of the average American.