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re: Italy's national health care: Those over 80 to be denied intensive care
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:19 pm to TideCPA
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:19 pm to TideCPA
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If healthcare is a human right and you don't provide it to everyone then you are guilty of a human rights violation. Full stop. If you're going down that path you don't get to tap dance around it.
Exactly. And these dipshits will still tout healthcare as a "right." Nothing that relies on other people to provide a service can be considered a fricking right.
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Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:19 pm to Ag Zwin
What’s Italian for “Take the pain killer, granny!”?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:21 pm to TigerChief10
Everything relies on something.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:23 pm to EarlyCuyler3
quote:So you're saying that in a free market providers are able to shed costs when demand is low, yet provide services to match demand as it rises.
The health system I personally work for, a nonprofit, non socialized system just closed a perfectly good ICU a while back. Why? Because they were losing money on it. Guess who's going to be scrambling like hell to open it back up real soon?
Oh. The. Horror. We need to do away with that.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:23 pm to EarlyCuyler3
quote:They all rely on money.
Everything relies on something.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:25 pm to EarlyCuyler3
A finite resource that relies on others to provide a service cannot be considered a right. If it were a real "right" you would not be able to be denied service due to low resources.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:25 pm to Taxing Authority
The services aren't going to be there in time. Who's going to staff it and where are the supplies going to come from?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:31 pm to TigerChief10
quote:
Exactly. And these dipshits will still tout healthcare as a "right." Nothing that relies on other people to provide a service can be considered a fricking right.
It already is a right in this country through EMTALA but you have probably never even heard of that
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:32 pm to TigerChief10
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A finite resource that relies on others to provide a service cannot be considered a right. If it were a real "right" you would not be able to be denied service due to low resources.
like the right to keep and bear arms? i agree with you that healthcare is not a right BUT just pointing this out cuz ur argument is bad
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:32 pm to EarlyCuyler3
quote:I have no idea how to solve your orgs logistical issues. But... None of that would be an issue if it was actually a right instead of product/service. Thanks for reinforcing that.
The services aren't going to be there in time. Who's going to staff it and where are the supplies going to come from?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:33 pm to Brannigans_Law
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like the right to keep and bear arms?
How does that fit with what he said?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:34 pm to Ag Zwin
Bernie, Ohhh Bernie
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:34 pm to Taxing Authority
What are some examples of actual rights then?
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:34 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:
How does that fit with what he said?
"A finite resource that relies on others to provide a service cannot be considered a right"
gun and ammunitions are finite resources and rely on others to provide service
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:35 pm to EarlyCuyler3
quote:
What are some examples of actual rights then?
this guy gets it! the only rights we have are the ones we are willing to fight and die for
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:38 pm to Usafgiles
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if we have an outbreak on the relative scale of theirs, we would be in a similar situation. not as bad, but close.
This level of ignorance is frightening.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 4:58 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
how so? You think if a U.S. city had 15k confirmed cases and climbing in the span of a couple of weeks they wouldn't feel the strain? I stated it wouldn't be as bad, but it would be felt and it would.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:01 pm to Ag Zwin
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS GREAT GUYS!!!!!!!!
Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:08 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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You idiots have no idea how healthcare works.
You think this is special to Italy and "socialized healthcare." What the hell do you think will happen here if it gets bad enough?
Being so blinded by fanatical party waving shite is beyond childish.
You do realize that the USA has 3 X the ICU beds per capita compared to Italy before the hospitals plus up right? The reason why Italy is in such a crappy position is because those idiots believed that the Government could handle healthcare! If you want to see what our system would be like go visit a VA and tell me you want your loved ones treated like that!
Posted on 3/16/20 at 5:12 pm to ABearsFanNMS
First off you are using one of the poorest and unorganized European countries as a basis for failed universal healthcare. I believe a country like Germany with a system that many on the left would like to see would be a better comparison.
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