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Is there one Biden voter who can explain how increased deficit spending reduces inflation?

Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:32 am
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46058 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:32 am
I listened to that video clip of Whispering Joe telling his audience paraphrased,

“My $3.85 trillion infrastructure bill will actually lower inflation by providing good paying jobs..blah, blah, blah.”

There’s no need to provide any additional details to the BS Joe said in that nonsensical statement because it was NONSENSICAL!!

Now, I challenge any Biden voter to decipher, translate, spin that insane comment from Biden that trillions in deficit spending will lower inflation….I’ll be here all day and evening. Lol!
Posted by NoShow
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:36 am to
Take more than a day.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:37 am to
You will not hear a word!
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33403 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:38 am to
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Is there one Biden voter who can explain how increased deficit spending reduces inflation?
I mean, inflation has been low/non-existent for years (decades) with nothing but increased deficit spending. It's mostly just a non sequitur.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50429 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:40 am to
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inflation has been low/non-existent for years (decades)


Interesting. So all of the "increase the minimum wage" arguments are wrong?
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59846 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:41 am to
It's the kind of Stranger Things Upside Down economics that gives us higher wages will cause prices to go down. Asterisk said as much earlier in the week
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 11:43 am
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46058 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:42 am to
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Is there one Biden voter who can explain how increased deficit spending reduces inflation?


I mean, inflation has been low/non-existent for years (decades) with nothing but increased deficit spending. It's mostly just a non sequitur.



Well folks, that’s ^^^^ as good as it’s gonna get, as real estate prices surge, food prices surge, automobile prices surge, energy prices surge…Didn’t Whispering Joe tell illegal immigrants to surge the border?

The American Marxists like the word surge. Pitiful!
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 11:45 am
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24741 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:53 am to
I think its the same logic that he and President Obama used to calculate that the ACA would drive down medical costs.
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
11920 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:55 am to
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sageIs there one Biden voter who can explain how increased deficit spending reduces inflation?


No. If someone voted for Biden they are an idiot.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33403 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:04 pm to
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Interesting. So all of the "increase the minimum wage" arguments are wrong?
I'm not sure what you are asking. I'm certainly against minimum wage laws.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33403 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:06 pm to
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Well folks, that’s ^^^^ as good as it’s gonna get, as real estate prices surge, food prices surge, automobile prices surge, energy prices surge…Didn’t Whispering Joe tell illegal immigrants to surge the border?

The American Marxists like the word surge. Pitiful!
wut

Have you watched the past 20 years? Until the past year, the hand-wringing has been over the complete inability of the Fed to generate even 2% inflation. Are you seriously arguing that deficit spending didn't increase in many of those years?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50429 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:21 pm to
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I'm not sure what you are asking. I'm certainly against minimum wage laws.


The argument I hear most often is that minimum wage needs to be tied to inflation because wages aren't increasing with inflation.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33403 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:24 pm to
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The argument I hear most often is that minimum wage needs to be tied to inflation because wages aren't increasing with inflation.
To the extent that minimum wage laws exist, it would seem intelligent to index them to inflation.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46058 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:03 pm to
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quote: The argument I hear most often is that minimum wage needs to be tied to inflation because wages aren't increasing with inflation.

To the extent that minimum wage laws exist, it would seem intelligent to index them to inflation.


With this ^^^ type of thinking, do you believe all retirement savings that are not in equities/bonds/REITs should be indexed to inflation? How many trillions of dollars would flow out of the equity markets if the money earned and saved was not being destroyed by inflation and near zero interest rates? If interest rates were to normalize to the 3-5% range, trillions of dollars would go into interest bearing accounts if there was inflation protection for money market/savings account/CDs.



Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33403 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:06 pm to
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With this ^^^ type of thinking, do you believe all retirement savings that are not in equities/bonds/REITs should be indexed to inflation?
How might I go about "indexing" my retirement savings?

quote:

How many trillions of dollars would flow out of the equity markets if the money earned and saved was not being destroyed by inflation and near zero interest rates? If interest rates were to normalize to the 3-5% range, trillions of dollars would go into interest bearing accounts if there was inflation protection for money market/savings account/CDs.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. But the 10 year has plummeted AGAIN and IN SPITE of this bout of inflation we are in.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46058 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:19 pm to
That’s because you’re lacking reading comprehension, I didn’t say index all of an individual’s retirement savings/portfolio, I said inflation protection for interest bearing accounts.

Since the financial meltdown of 2009/2010 prudent savers have been the victims of ZIRP or near ZIRP monetary policy. Currently a money market/savings account is not much better than burying money in your backyard with regards to interest earnings. If you check current money market rates it’s hard to find one paying over .4% for $1,000,000 yet inflation is in all likelihood going to hit 10% this year. Some simple math reveals if you’re holding $1,000,000 in cash with a .4% interest rate you just lost over $95,000 to inflation.

This low interest rate monetary policy has forced retirees into higher risk investments and if shite hits the fan in equities and real estate there’s a lot of retirees who are gonna be shell shocked.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162220 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:27 pm to
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energy prices surge…

Gas prices were higher in 2008 than they are now and that's not adjusting for any inflation

At peak they were 30% higher than they are now


Autos should become more affordable once we get beyond the chip shortage. The quality of automobiles is also ridiculous now.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24954 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:30 pm to
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I think its the same logic that he and President Obama used to calculate that the ACA would drive down medical costs.


Must be… just got my renewal and our blue cross blue shield plan is going to have an 8.7% rate increase….
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11096 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:43 pm to
The real answer is that the marginal revenue product of debt is so low because the spending is unproductive that the deflationary burden of servicing the debt overpowers the inflationary effects of the increase in the supply of money. I think that rate becomes negative at increasing rates when government debt to GDP surpasses 35%ish from what I've read.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 1:44 pm
Posted by nonu121
Member since Jul 2021
45 posts
Posted on 7/22/21 at 1:45 pm to
Increased deficit spending does not reduce inflation.

I'm a Biden voter and I'll say that.

However, inflation isn't really a problem. Central banks can easily respond to inflation by increasing rates.

It's not really anything that troublesome. I've said this before but deflation is the real enemy of central banks. Central banks have very little ammunition left to tackle deflation.

Inflation is better than deflation. Historically, central banks have failed to meet inflation targets so inflation isn't really going to be a big problem in my opinion.

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