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re: Is the US right to cry foul about forced technology transfer to do business in China--

Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:42 pm to
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:42 pm to
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We have the ability and right to prosecute that today. 



IPA theft and copyright infringement are rarely addressed at all. China, however, will allow you to sue them if you like. You can go before a communist judge, in a communist court, in their communist country, all whilst suing a company that is overseen by the same communist government.

Good luck with that.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:55 pm to
We absolutely have the laws and the tools to prosecute copyright infringements and IP theft that happens in the US.

You are correct in that the Chinese basically do not recognize US patents and copyrights in China. They are not unique in that. Nobody really says they have too.

HOWEVER, they appear to be moving to strengthen such IP protections in China and that will be one thing Trump uses to declare victory. US companies are not alone in wanting more IP protection in China--Chinese companies want it too. You will see more Chinese technology and copyrights as these new protections are implemented as Chinese companies will make bigger margins from technology they develop---is this good or bad??? IDK.

Huawei has a LOT of patents worldwide and stands to make billions as 5g rolls out world wide. (China is ahead of us on 5g-- LINK)
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:58 pm to
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Huawei


Perhaps you should investigate the company you are white knighting for. Sadly, you will probably be pleasantly surprised.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:03 pm to
White knighting???

I am simply stating fact. Because I posted a fact about the company means I am white knighting????
Posted by I B Freeman
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:06 pm to
From the Financial Times:

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Chinese companies increase number of tech patents awarded in US


Analysis highlights country’s growing prowess just as alleged IP theft features in trade war


Richard Waters in San Francisco JANUARY 8, 2019

China was the only country whose companies increased the number of technology patents they were awarded in the US last year, according to an analysis to be released on Tuesday.

The figures, from the patent information company IFI Claims, highlight China’s growing technical prowess at a time when the forced transfer and alleged theft of intellectual property from American companies is at the centre of a trade war between the two countries.

China is even on track to overtake Germany in terms of the official US recognition for its companies’ IP advances, with the cross-over likely to come next year, said Larry Cady, senior analyst at IFI.

The spurt reflects a steady shift in the Chinese technology development model in recent years, as companies such as Huawei build up their internal research and development and look to expand into global markets.

However, they are relatively small players overall. The 12,589 patents Chinese companies obtained last year represented only 4 per cent of all those issued in the US. IBM alone was awarded 9,100, giving the company what it said was a 26th year at the top of the US rankings.

The Chinese IP push has been led by Huawei, the telecoms equipment maker that has faced a severe backlash in Washington. The company’s political enemies claim it represents a national security risk, though its defenders say the opposition is really motivated by a desire to block China from gaining a leading position in important new technologies such as 5G wireless communications.

Huawei was ranked 16th in terms of the number of US patents it was granted last year, four places higher than the year before. With 1,680 patent applications winning approval, it was only eight behind Sony, which came to symbolise Japan’s rise as an innovative consumer electronics powerhouse.

China’s patent build-up in the US was unlikely to be interrupted by the growing tensions between the countries, said Mr Cady, since its companies still needed to defend their technology from copycats in other countries.



Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/12/19 at 6:49 am to
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Huawei Sales Manager of Poland arrested there for spying


Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34145 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 6:50 am to
Chinese ambassador accuses Canada of 'white supremacy' in Huawei case 

OTTAWA: A Chinese envoy on Wednesday (Jan 9) accused Canada and its allies of "Western egotism and white supremacy" for demanding the immediate release of two Canadians held for alleged spying. In a letter published by The Hill Times newspaper, China's ambassador to Canada Lu Shaye also criticized the "groundless" detention of a top Chinese tech executive at the request of the United States. 
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 1/12/19 at 7:56 am to
China has a strong culture of IP theft. That isn't changing any time soon.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123912 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:11 am to
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IP theft and forced partnerships in China
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It is not about jobs in the USA
You posted the same gibberish a week or so ago, did you not?
The issues have not changed.

IP theft allows Chinese to steal thousands of hours of American know-how and field expertise. It lets China build competing companies years ahead of where they otherwise might have. Their starting point is on par with companies they could have never otherwise shown a candle to. From there they begin to create various patent claims of their own WHICH WE THEN HONOR, further limiting our businesses.

The US is an IP/Services nation. Entrepreneurialism, innovation and technological advancement is what we do. Theft of US IP is no different than China stealing large percentages of German vehicles or machinery, or stealing a large percentage of Saudi oil.

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Trump recognizes the war has hurt the economy and the stock market
No kidding! What a slice of genius observation that is!
Here's another clue IB: War Sucks!
In war EVERYbody gets hurt!
War represents the failure of diplomacy.

War forces one side into a capitulated position previously refused when diplomacy was employed. In this case, China is that side. China refused repeated attempts at diplomacy. So we engaged in a trade war. As with any war, this trade war obviously affected both sides. But it hurt China badly. It appears to have hurt China far more badly and far more quickly than China had anticipated. Such is the nature of war. There is normally a side, the losing side, that miscalculates its position.

It seems China miscalculated and is cutting its losses, capitulating as best as it can.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13379 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:11 am to


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Huawei has a LOT of patents worldwide and stands to make billions as 5g rolls out world wide. (China is ahead of us on 5g-- LINK)



hmmmm....

Japan adds to the roll call of countries who have effectively blocked Huawei from taking part in 5G mobile network infrastructure build-outs, including the US, Australia, and New Zealand, upping the pressure on the Chinese telecom equipment giant as it seeks to take the lead in next generation mobile networks amid a trade and technology stand-off between the US and China. The UK and Canada are weighing up the possible security risks posed by Huawei too.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:19 am to

And as far as Trump taking a small concession so he can "claim" a win. Lets check with his chief negotiator in the combat against the chinese two decade attack on the US economy.......

quote:

Lighthizer, who is taking the lead in trade negotiations with China, has told friends and associates he is intent on preventing Trump from accepting "empty promises" like temporary increases in soybean purchases, the newspaper said. In order to avoid this, the U.S. may have to slap tariffs on more Chinese goods, Lighthizer reportedly said.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:40 am to
Do you really think Trump is going to impose those 25% tariffs???

It won't happen.

Lightizer should take note of Trump's reining in of Bolton, firings of Kelly and Sessions.

As soon as he can call something "victory" in the way he did on those small changes in NAFTA he will.

This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 3:02 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:45 am to
Doesn't change the fact that Huawei has thousands of patents worldwide including in the USA that laws protect AND they too will want more protection in China.

The Chinese will benefit from more IP protections in their laws thus they will change their laws and the US companies investing there will be happy and Trump will have a victory of sorts.

You are VERY badly mistaken if you think any of this trade war is about imports from China and jobs in the US. Those tariffs on imports Americans are freely buying are simply tools Trump is using to help companies like Apple, Boeing and Caterpillar doing business in China--selling into the Chinese consumer markets.



Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:51 am to
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The US is an IP/Services nation. Entrepreneurialism, innovation and technological advancement is what we do. Theft of US IP is no different than China stealing large percentages of German vehicles or machinery, or stealing a large percentage of Saudi oil.


In the United States this is true. This is not true anywhere else. Technology you develop and patent in the US is not protected even in Mexico unless there is an agreement with US to recognize those patents and enforce them. I have not heard of an instance where a company tried to enforce a US patent in Mexico but it may be possible.

In China it is not. A US patent don't mean s*** anywhere else in the world unless that government has some kind of agreement to enforce it. Why do multinational companies file patents in other countries if you think simply because they filed one in the US they are protected worldwide?

Nevertheless you people want China to protect their companies like we protect ours and you want to facilitate more investment by US companies in China by supporting Trump's tariffs. I wish them all well but I should not have to pay one cent more for anything I buy because Apple wants to sell more into China.
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 9:58 am
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 11:19 am to
Why are taxpayers subsidizing the cybersecurity/IP security of private businesses?
Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11712 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 11:38 am to
You are such a spineless little bitch for the Chinese. It’s pathetic.

Maybe we should start making movies there
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 11:40 am
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 1/12/19 at 11:40 am to
Ask Hazel O'Leary
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123912 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:17 pm to
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In the United States this is true. This is not true anywhere else. Technology you develop and patent in the US is not protected even in Mexico
I'm not sure whether you are stupid or just play stupid on the internet. You are actually claiming US companies cannot obtain patents anywhere but the US? Really?

That is beyond ridiculous. WTF is wrong with you?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:50 pm to
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You are actually claiming US companies cannot obtain patents anywhere but the US? Really?


No I am not. You seem to think that just because a US company has a US patent that the Chinese recognize that patent in China. You have never said China refuses to enforce Chinese patents of US companies.

Are you really that stupid???
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 2:51 pm
Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11712 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 3:33 pm to
So you just want Americans to be cool with the Chinese stealing IP. Damn you're a bitch

Also LOL at you posting an article from a company owned by Alibaba
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 3:37 pm
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