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re: Is the US right to cry foul about forced technology transfer to do business in China--

Posted on 1/12/19 at 4:34 pm to
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34151 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 4:34 pm to
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Why are taxpayers subsidizing the cybersecurity/IP security of private businesses?


Perhaps because those private US companies are under attack by a foreign government (primarily their military?). If Russia, assisting Trump of course, flew a military bomber over a dildo testing facility/bedroom and bombed it, would that be an act of war, or should you have been responsible for your company's own defense. My guess is that sex toys and slingshots aren't going to bring down a Russian bomber.
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 6:11 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123929 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 6:53 pm to
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You seem to think that just because a US company has a US patent
No Bullwinkle. I seem to think that if a US company has a patent in China, the Chinese are supposed to recognize that patent in China. However, patent protection does not nearly cover all IP theft in China. Presumably, were you not playing the simpleton role of Chinese apologist, you'd know that.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 6:57 pm to
Forget it Tigah.

It will be page two news in a month or so as soon as something Trump can call victory pops up. He might stir it up again closer to the 2020 election time so the unions in the midwest and Pa will take notice. Of course the steel tariffs will be allowing those US steel companies in the Midwest to continue sucking record profits from US steel users.
Posted by Wtxtiger
Gonzales la
Member since Feb 2011
7257 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 6:59 pm to
I hope the Chinese stab that IB motherfricker in the back, fricking his teeth out, and cost him everything. I hope they double cross him so bad it cost him every cent he has and forces him into a homeless shelter. He is a turncoat Bennidict Arnaud traitor and cares more about his own 2 cents than this country. He is the poster boy for worthless republican establishment Chamber of Commerce useless shits.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 7:03 pm to
I have you boys down as happy to pay more and happy to make your neighbors pay more for everything having Chinese materials in it so Boeing and Apple can manufacture in China instead of the US.

This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 7:04 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37635 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:09 pm to
OMG that is a short bus take
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:20 pm to
Explain yourself sir.

This trade war is about IP theft--which is just about all in CHINA and about forced partnerships in China. The Chinese have even said if you don't want to do business they way they want then simply do not invest in China.

One example--Now if you are Boeing and you want to protect your manufacturing IP you can simply elect not to build plants there. That is not what they want to do. They want to build the airplanes they sell in China in China. They would really like some more IP protections there.

Now if you have not read the 301 directive that explicitly defines what these tariff are about you should not challenge me with some perceptions you have about what the trade war is about.

My contention has been of late that the Chinese are going to make their IP protections stronger and they are going to reduce the requirements for foreign investments---both things BTW will be very good for China and very good for US companies wishing to build plants to service the Chinese market in China.

It is also my contention that Trump will never add the new items to the tariff list and will never bring the 25% tariff on all the tariffed Chinese goods as he has threatened. He wants something people like you will take his word is a "huge victory" and this issue will move to the back pages. It is very similar to the Mexico and Canada deals that are really not much more than new NAFTAs with very small changes in the overall scheme of things.

That is what this is about.

I don't think Americans should be punished for buying Chinese products just so a relatively few US companies can make huge fortunes in China. If you disagree so be it.

You are paying more for anything with tariffed items in it so that large US multinational companies will have more IP protection and fewer financial requirements IN CHINA for their business there.

Which bus did you ride to school??
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 8:23 pm
Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11712 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:34 pm to
This fricking retard links Chinese propaganda and then wonders why people don't take him seriously
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37635 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:07 pm to
While I agree it’s largely about IP transfers, do we force Chinese companies to do the same thing in this country? No we don’t so why shouldnt we tariff them for this practice. They refuse to protect IP so why should we accept this? And btw who is the President who is talking about this and actually doing something about this?

You would do we to read Xi’s address regarding China’a 20 year plan and the technologies and industries they intend to dominate. It’s not top secret as to China’s attempt to displace the US through their predatory merchantilist policies. They all starting manifesting this ambition militarily in the South China Sea. I don’t even want to get into how we sold out working class America for short term profits.

So enjoy your cheap shite while you sell this country down the river.
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 9:09 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/12/19 at 10:17 pm to
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shouldnt we tariff them for this practice


We are paying the tariffs.

How much should you pay to help Boeing in China????

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So enjoy your cheap shite while you sell this country down the river


You haven't a single clue.

The idea that a country with a population 4 times ours that has moved toward capitalism will not eventually have an economy larger than ours is naive foolish thinking.

Why do I care about their military ambition in the South China Sea? Is it as ambitious as the Monroe Doctrine?

There are more people working in America at higher wages than ever before.

Your perceptions of what the world is really like are very far from reality.

I am the person here trying to protect Americans. You want to save multinational companies selling into China.

How much should you---YOU--pay so Boeing and Apple and Catapillar can have IP protection on their investments in plants and sales into the Chinese economy??

$100, $10000 how much? Whatever it takes? for how many years?
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