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Is the federal government basically obligated to perform security theater?

Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:12 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:12 pm
I went to see the tall ships today. It was really, really cool. There were multiple Coast Guard boats patrolling the river the entire time. Same thing at French Quarter Fest last month, plus Coast Guardsmen on foot with dogs at FQF.

Compare that to Jazz Fest, which takes place on private property not visibly patrolled by the military. There were NOPD units parked outside, traffic control, etc., but I didn’t notice any visible security presence inside the festival either weekend.

Nothing happened at any of these events, but the optics were completely different despite similar outcomes.

If anything were to pop off on the riverfront, it would most likely be an ordinary criminal act committed by someone on land rather than some elaborate maritime attack scenario anyway.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:14 pm to
There’s actually a fair amount of NOPD officers inside of jazz fest. They’re just not always noticeable. Jazz Fest also has heavily controlled entrances and private security.

The coast guard boats are for helping with rescue for people who fall in the water, boats that sink or catch fire, and collisions between boats.
This post was edited on 5/31/26 at 4:15 pm
Posted by uggabugga
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:17 pm to
Is that the same as this, in a different location?

SAIL250MD
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

kingbob


skewered that bitch
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:20 pm to
Heavily controlled entrances?

I mean…

Idk. The first weekend, I brought a couple of beverages for the walk to the fair grounds (we live in the neighborhood). We waited in line for so long that I wished I would have brought a few more. So the second weekend I brought a few more. The lines moved way faster though and I ended up not drinking them all by the time we got to the entrance. Idk if it’s because I had a stroller or if it was the blonde hair but no one searched any of my stuff and I got to bring 3 unopened cans in. Could have been bombs!
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:20 pm to
Yep. It kicked off in New Orleans this weekend.
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:23 pm to
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The coast guard boats are for helping with rescue for people who fall in the water, boats that sink or catch fire, and collisions between boats.


They were small rubber boats with guns pointed on the ends. I don’t think they are there every day.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

Compare that to Jazz Fest, which takes place on private property not visibly patrolled by the military. There were NOPD units parked outside, traffic control, etc., but I didn’t notice any visible security presence inside the festival either weekend.

Nothing happened at any of these events, but the optics were completely different despite similar outcomes.


You're comparing apples to oranges, a bit.

For the ne'er-do-wells, Jazz Fest has a fairly steep price of admission. It not only funds the acts, but the security as well (those you see and those you don't). People paying that much to attend are less likely to cause problems.

On the other end from that are free events like FQF or the flotilla. Those have visibly strong security presences because the trouble-makers of society are more likely to show up at free events. Not only is security readily visible, but just like at Jazz Fest there's going to also be a good number of security undercover in the crowds and/or watching from unobtrusive vantage points.
Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:31 pm to
Not that surprising that they might set up a security zone around a high profile asset. After all, we are in a proxy war with Russia, engaged, in direct acton with Iran, and also have sent a carrier to the Caribbean off Cuba.

Ww3 is a slow burn, and people tend to forget that.
Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:33 pm to
quote:

There’s actually a fair amount of NOPD officers inside of jazz fest.


This. And the ticket prices pretty much keep trouble out.
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 4:59 pm to
quote:

For the ne'er-do-wells, Jazz Fest has a fairly steep price of admission. It not only funds the acts, but the security as well (those you see and those you don't). People paying that much to attend are less likely to cause problems.


True, but when we think about mass casualty events (9/11, OKC bombing and even the New Years Bourbon Street attack), cost of admission wasn’t a barrier for the masterminds. Ticket prices might keep petty crime at bay, but not a large scale attack.
Posted by Bigdibber
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 5:02 pm to
The left hates the military so have to guard against lib attacks
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 5:36 pm to
quote:

True, but when we think about mass casualty events (9/11, OKC bombing and even the New Years Bourbon Street attack), cost of admission wasn’t a barrier for the masterminds. Ticket prices might keep petty crime at bay, but not a large scale attack.


Again, you're comparing apples to oranges. What you were talking about (or at least heavily implying) were one-offs of people usually with a personal axe to grind with someone else (stemming from some other issue) or something spurred in the moment (making a pass at someone's SO, for example). This sort of attacker is heat-of-the-moment, so it's almost impossible to predict thus the best deterrence is a highly visible security force.

What you're talking about with 9/11, OKC, Bourbon Street, etc. are people or groups with long-held grudges against an organization or generalized group. This form of attacker takes the time to fund and plan with eyes not just toward destruction (which is the primary goal) but also to formulate counters to whatever security may be (or traditionally has been) between them and their goal.

What you're doing is noticing "tools" but not looking beyond that to see that hammers are different from screwdrivers (ie: each has a specific use).
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 8:17 pm to
The categories of threat is a fair distinction. Visible security seems to function largely as a psychological deterrent against spontaneous street-level violence and disorder. Presumably, the average poster isn’t selling drugs or randomly shooting at other people anyway.

The kinds of threats that cause mass casualties and large-scale destruction are usually planned in advance and often aren’t realistically preventable in real time through visible security presence alone.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 8:23 pm to
Are you ever happy?
Posted by DawgCountry
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 8:38 pm to
She’s a liberal white woman, so no. She’s miserable
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 8:47 pm to
Any tanks rolling around terrifying people?
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 8:50 pm to
You interpreted unhappiness from this thread?

I got to see some really neat ships today after church. My toddler started doing the choo choo motion with his little arm today. I planted Zinnia seeds in March that grew into healthy plants that are going to bloom any day now. Lots of things to be happy about on my end.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 8:58 pm to
Then why did you start a thread saying you were afraid of military helping provide security?

Why did you allow your delicates to get twisty because NOPD didn’t think you had an IED in your stroller for a concert? Why did you assume it was your hair color?
Posted by Bigdibber
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 5/31/26 at 9:00 pm to
Well I'm glad to hear you have a child. You are wrong about just about everything, but having children brings great trials and even greater happiness and hopefully some enlightenment
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