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Is it true that ventilators are only 40% effective?
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:13 pm
So ventilation is the last effort by the doctors and the success rate is only 40%. Is that true? Would the FDA approve a method with such a poor track record? Fauci seems to be saying we see more ventilators but are they really working?
I hope all patients get the option of HCQ/Z-pac/Z+ cocktail before being placed on a ventilator.
I hope all patients get the option of HCQ/Z-pac/Z+ cocktail before being placed on a ventilator.
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:15 pm to GumboPot
I’ve heard as low as 10 percent.
40 percent would be a great outcome, imo.
40 percent would be a great outcome, imo.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:15 pm to GumboPot
Folks put on ventilators for treatment don’t have a great shot at survival no matter the malady.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:16 pm to GumboPot
half of all ventilators are 40% effective
the other 60% effectiveness is half mental
the other 60% effectiveness is half mental
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:16 pm to GumboPot
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Would the FDA approve a method with such a poor track record?
Holy shite you’re dumb
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:17 pm to Kafka
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:17 pm to GumboPot
I don't think it is 40% - 20% to 30% at best. I've heard the 10% as well.
It's somber and nobody wants to talk about it, but we should. "Muh ventilators" was just another "Gotcha" attempt.
It's somber and nobody wants to talk about it, but we should. "Muh ventilators" was just another "Gotcha" attempt.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:17 pm to GumboPot
Could be 20% or lower... fact is most people who are sick enough to need a vent end up dying.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:18 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Folks put on ventilators for treatment don’t have a great shot at survival no matter the malady.
My opinion is, by the time that patients are placed on vents, they may already be too fatigued physically, to fight back.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:20 pm to Ace Midnight
I wonder how many of those people that survived with ventilation would have survived without it?
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:20 pm to GumboPot
I think it’s way lower than 40%. Probably 20% or lower. And 20% is probably charitable.
You throw the Hail Mary even when it has a low probability.
I would guess that most places aren’t using vents to the exclusion of HCQ/zpack.
You throw the Hail Mary even when it has a low probability.
I would guess that most places aren’t using vents to the exclusion of HCQ/zpack.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:24 pm to auggie
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My opinion is, by the time that patients are placed on vents, they may already be too fatigued physically, to fight back.
There’s some discussion beginning that vents may not be overly effective for reasons particular to the virus.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:26 pm to the808bass
Are y’all pulling the “it is way lower than 40%” statement out of yalls butt or what? Not one of y’all has posted anything to refute that number.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:27 pm to OGtigerfan87
The early numbers out of China were 80% to 97% of patients on a vent died, depending on the study.
The numbers are out there.
The numbers are out there.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:30 pm to GumboPot
ventilators help you breathe but all they do is keep you alive a few extra days
they figured out ventilators are just a band aide to prolong suffering
they figured out ventilators are just a band aide to prolong suffering
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:33 pm to the808bass
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I would guess that most places aren’t using vents to the exclusion of HCQ/zpack.
I hope and think you are right.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:33 pm to GumboPot
50% overall. Much lower for this bug.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:39 pm to keakar
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ventilators help you breathe but all they do is keep you alive a few extra days
The vents are not working IMO because they are not allowing enough CO2 exchange. The vents are forcing O2 and opening the aveoli however the O2 pressure is too high to allow CO2 transfer.
If only there were a machine that could clean the blood of CO2 while under forced O2.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:41 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Folks put on ventilators for treatment don’t have a great shot at survival no matter the malady.
This isnt true at all.
But for the wuhan virus it is true
Posted on 4/5/20 at 4:42 pm to GumboPot
I think about 80 pct of people going on vents are dying
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