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re: Iran is not an irrational actor

Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:46 pm to
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:46 pm to
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Depending on who you ask, they (the majority of Iranians) don't hate us at all.


Let's ask the ones that execute women for showing their hair in public...You know, the "rational" ones you want to have nuclear bombs...
Posted by SCLibertarian
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:47 pm to
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Has Pakistan publicly declared its goal is to destroy Israel and the Great Satan?

Death to America in Pakistan Parliament
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Has It nuked Tel Aviv or D.C., or New York?

Those cities haven't been nuked lol.
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Idiot

Look in the mirror tough guy.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:49 pm to
I think a common reality in all Islamic authoritarian regimes with any length of rule (revolution in Iran, Assad, House of Saud, Qaddafi, etc. - even someone like Erdogan or entities like the ISI) is that over time it becomes quite a balancing act of satiating the (likely minority) who've kept the Islamist/"revolutionary spirit" and retaining the regime (which means staving off regime change efforts from the West or Israel).

I think Iran has done pretty well with this balancing act for decades. They know that on the true brink of a nuclear weapon, the regime is dire trouble (perhaps the case here). If close but not imminent, they have cards to play with the West and credibility with the hardliners in Iran. I think if Iran could snap their fingers and have a nuclear weapon and delivery system, they'd do it. But they can't, so they've been toeing the line for years and years.

Unlike what many will say, I don't think Iran, with a weapon and a delivery system - is going for Israel's throat immediately. Why? Because it ends the regime and sustaining the regime is the root purpose of every act Iran undertakes.

Posted by Keltic Tiger
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:49 pm to
Don't know much / very little about the history of the Middle East, do you? Iran is well known, world wide, to be an outlaw country. For good reasons. It has openly sponsored terrorism around the world; Hamas, ISIS, Syria, the Taliban, Yemen, etc etc. Hating Israel is one thing; claiming Iran is a good guy is ridiculous, border line dumb & dumber.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:51 pm to
Here's the entire post you're attempting to respond to. You mistakenly missed a few pieces. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify and repost.




"We don't talk about that enough. Even without nuclear weapons, Israel is the biggest, baddest motherfricker in the region and they have the United States of America fully planted in their pocket. If any country doesn't need nuclear weapons, it's Israel.

In fact, South Korea is bordered by an impoverished, cultish, nuclear armed hermit kingdom and they don't even have them.

Throughout this entire ordeal, no one that I'm aware of has asked Israel to enter into non-proliferation talks or even consider it. What's Israel's responsibility in decreasing nuclear tensions in the region?

That's a rhetorical question. I think we all know the answer to it".
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:51 pm to
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Has It nuked Tel Aviv or D.C., or New York?



Iran isn't doing this either, and anyone selling it to you is either a neocon or an Iranian-American.

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Has Pakistan publicly declared its goal is to destroy Israel and the Great Satan?



I mean, the ISI built and ran training camps for Al Qaeda prior to AQ murdering 2000 people in NYC and DC, so...
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:52 pm to
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This argument that if they finally develop the one weapon that they’ve been weeks away from finishing for the last 30 years, they’ll immediately detonate it is crazy
That argument is crazy. Fortunately it's not the argument being forwarded in the main.
Posted by CrotchetyCowboy
Ward, AR
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:52 pm to
I’m pretty sure that Israel’s nuclear weapons are for defense only. Not sure they have openly threatened to wipe anybody off the face of the earth when they could easily just make Iran a parking lot.with their nukes. But Iran has CONSISTENTLY threatened Israel and the USA. We have nukes but they seem to be for defense only as we haven’t threatened to use them on china or Russia.
Posted by tiger81
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:55 pm to
We supported Iraq to help neutralize Iran. We didn't want either to be superior to the other.
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:55 pm to
Well it’s make believe so it shouldn’t be pushed.
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:56 pm to
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Has It nuked Tel Aviv or D.C., or New York?

Those cities haven't been nuked lol.
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Idiot


Yeah, you conveniently left out the stated goal of the annihilation of Israel...

Pacisfist fools you all are.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:57 pm to
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I mean, the ISI built and ran training camps for Al Qaeda prior to AQ murdering 2000 people in NYC and DC, so...

They also likely murdered Benazir Bhutto to prevent her from either becoming prime minister or to prevent a power sharing deal with Musharraf.
Posted by Rip Torn
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:59 pm to
Good gosh you are one stupid poster
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:01 pm to
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I mean, the ISI built and ran training camps for Al Qaeda prior to AQ murdering 2000 people in NYC and DC, so...


So in your mind that equates to Nuking Tel Aviv and New York City right?
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:01 pm to
What’s the Obama quote, something like flood the place with so much bullshite nobody will know what to believe? Or thereabouts? Looks like it’s working
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:02 pm to
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Iran is not an irrational actor

Extremist Muslims will suicide bomb for their goals. Yes, they are irrational.

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 Israel has committed more acts of aggression in the region than Iran


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If we want to know why Iran hates us, take a look in the mirror
Extreme Muslims hate everyone not Muslim AND other Muslims not of their sect. This has been going on centuries before North America was colonized. They would hate us regardless.

Wring your hands and burn an American flag this weekend. It's all our fault, right?
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:02 pm to
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So in your mind that equates to Nuking Tel Aviv and New York City right?



Let's just say something that actually happened is considered better evidence to me than something threatened that very likely wouldn't or couldn't happen, sure
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:03 pm to
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What’s the Obama quote, something like flood the place with so much bullshite nobody will know what to believe? Or thereabouts? Looks like it’s working


You're insane if the you don't think those who want war are doing this
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:03 pm to
Are you a pathological liar or just real real stupid?
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