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re: Iran Conflict: 1/6 8:30 pm - Trump Drafting Sanctions on Iraq

Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:21 pm to
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:21 pm to
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This is a region and an issue I know something about
You knew about Soleimani's plans?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:25 pm to
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It’s my hope for that eventually, we will learn from our mistakes, and will stop engaging in these foolish adventures.


All we really needed to learn was to blow up shite, kill people and leave, making it clear that we are more than willing to blow up more shite, and kill more people, should their actions cause need.

Your version of learning from our mistakes, ends Israel and puts Iran in the drivers seat in the Middle East. It abandons our allies, and puts Russia as the proxy owner of much of the worlds oil supply.
Posted by SECRantFan
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Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:25 pm to
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but I know I’m right,


Posted by SECRantFan
Gulf Coast
Member since Jun 2016
105 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:28 pm to
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I was in Russia last year.





Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65788 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:29 pm to
Matt Gaetz just said the protesters were writing, “Soleimani is our leader” on our embassy wall. He said, I bet they don’t write any other names on it..
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:36 pm to
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I bet they don’t write any other names on it..


A smart terrorist militia wrote “trump is our leader.”
Posted by 14&Counting
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:38 pm to
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Iranian foreign minister Javad Zarif:



He can get some too
Posted by nes2010
Member since Jun 2014
7849 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:47 pm to
CNBC giving props. LINK
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America just took out the world’s no. 1 bad guy


Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:47 pm to
It's been over 4 hours now. Someone needs to check on Bolton. He may need to see a doctor.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:49 pm to
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Your version of learning from our mistakes, ends Israel and puts Iran in the drivers seat in the Middle East. It abandons our allies, and puts Russia as the proxy owner of much of the worlds oil supply.



These people aren’t our allies.

They’re dependents who use us for their own purposes, and at some expense to us. The situation would actually stabilize If we left. They’d have to learn to get along with each other, and you’d see less fighting. The Saudis wouldn’t invade Yemen if they didn’t believe we’d be there to bail them out, for example.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:58 pm to
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They’d have to learn to get along with each other, and you’d see less fighting. The Saudis wouldn’t invade Yemen if they didn’t believe we’d be there to bail them out, for example.


They would not invade, however, to state that they would have to learn to get along is comical. Terrorist acts committed along religous/tribal lines would be much more pronounced than now. I hate that we are there, and I agree with your reasoning as to why we were orinally involved. That being said, I am of the opinion that there would be more fighting...not less.
Posted by Noryev
Member since Aug 2018
1217 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:01 pm to
Pitt’s portrayal of McCrystal in that movie was pretty good and spot on.

Movie is called War Machine on Netflix if anyone is interested.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14682 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:03 pm to
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The situation would actually stabilize If we left. They’d have to learn to get along with each other, and you’d see less fighting.


Right, because it’s not like our enemies there are religious zealots who believe that every living soul must capitulate or die, or anything. It’s not like they have displayed an unhinged willingness to murder those who oppose them, and celebrate their own deaths accomplishing this desire. No, completely rational, thoughtful, and tolerant, those folks.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:03 pm to
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That being said, I am of the opinion that there would be more fighting...not less.


Lopsided balances of power, make conflict more likely.

Our presence creates one.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 11:04 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14682 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:05 pm to
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Lopsided balances of power, make conflict more likely.

Our presence creates one.



And our absence creates another one, only much, much worse.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:05 pm to
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Right, because it’s not like our enemies there are religious zealots


Our enemies are radical Sunnis, who are largely inspired by Saudi Arabia.

Not Shiites.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 11:06 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:07 pm to
Iran would never be able to dominate the region. As Shiites, they’ll never be a accepted. And they don’t have the numbers.

What you’d see is a four way contest between Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, where no one side was able to really take control.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 11:14 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:08 pm to
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Our enemies are radical Sunnis. Not Shiites.


Both is actually the correct response. The good news is that many Shia don't hate the west, unfortunately, they also don't have any power. Those that do...I guess we will see.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14682 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:08 pm to
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Our enemies are radical Sunnis, who are largely inspired by Saudi Arabia.

Not Shiites.


Maybe, but not at the moment. Unless you are now selling Hezbollah as Sunni.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44273 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:10 pm to
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You’d see a four way contest between Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, where no one side was able to really take control.


This is my take as well...hence my prediction of a dramatic rise in terrorist acts if this scenario ever played out.
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