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Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:42 am to scottydoesntknow
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and this thread has provided answers to this person's questions, and he does not seem moved by them
Me: "I dont blindly believe the media narrative about Iran"
The Board: "yeah but *insert media narrative* says this. You are wrong"
No, people keep giving you historical facts, and references to personal accounts from those who fled that regime, and you refuse to acknowledge it, instead punting every answer away as "media narrative". YOU have decided that every answer is just parroting of media narratives.
Don't ask the board a question if you are incapable of accepting any answer other than what you want to hear and believe.
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I havent made any claims about Iran being good or bad...other than comparing them to the Saudis who are much more evil to Christians than Iran's government AND have actual evidence ACTUAL EVIDENCE that they supported terrorism against American citizens
Buddy, I do not care if you think they or good or bad. I am only speaking about your insistence that the narrative is false based on nothing but that you just think it is. You start out asking a question, and then proceed to declare that we are being misled.
You aren't going to get me to defend any Muslim country in their treatment of anyone, but you keep claiming that Saudi Arabia is worse than Iran, yet there isn't really anything to back that up. Neither country is kind to Christians, both prohibit conversion to Christianity, but the Iranian government is more aggressive is their actions to persecute (and execute) Christians, raid churches, or impose some other type of punishment. Christian churches do not exist in Iran by the grace of their goverment. They exist in secret, until such time as they are found and punished.
You like to throw around the word evidence, but your evidence only ever seems to consist of the word "evidence".
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 8:44 am
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:42 am to Team Vote
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they sponsor and train terrorists.
Guess who else does?
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:43 am to EphesianArmor
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Maybe. I know for a fact that the Persian-Iranian people do not like their hardcore Islamocracy. But does it rise to the level of, "WOO-WOO!! LET ISRAEL EFF 'EM UP!!"?
For the time being... isn't Israel being rather precise in their operations? I don't think they're going after the Persian on the street.
Or are you saying that while Persians dislike their government, they don't necessarily want it annihilated?
If all things were as they appeared (I know that's rarely the case)... I think if I were a regular citizen in Iran, fearful and distrusting of my government, I would be worried that IRAN'S antics would get me killed and might would welcome some precision striking to rid my country of radical overlords.
OTOH... I vehemently detested the Biden admin... but I would not have liked another country, uh, 'liberating' us from said admin on our soil. Turmoil is awful.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:44 am to scottydoesntknow
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I never claimed anything about Iran other than I dont blindly accept what our media says about them. I suppose if you need to make my argument for me in order for you to win, go ahead
I wasn't directing it at just YOU. But, if you take it that way, then maybe there is a reason.
Feel free to agree with my post rather than take it as a personal attack on you. What part of my post do you agree/disagree with?
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:47 am to scottydoesntknow
I believe the same people that always benefit from people getting slaughtered in that region will benefit again. BP and Shell.
It’s the same old playbook. Create a boogeyman steal more natural resources
It’s the same old playbook. Create a boogeyman steal more natural resources
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:48 am to EphesianArmor
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Guess who else does?
Hence my statement that I don’t want us to jump into a war between Israel and Iran. Let them figure it out. I certainly know who I’d prefer to win though.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:50 am to scottydoesntknow
In the 80’s I sat across the table from Iranian government representatives to negotiate a settlement of claims in The Hague after the hostage crisis. They aren’t the most reliable or rational counterparts to deal with. They have an agenda, and it’s not good for Western Civilization..
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:51 am to SallysHuman
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For the time being... isn't Israel being rather precise in their operations? I don't think they're going after the Persian on the street.
Ding! We have a winner. If Israel is as bloodthirsty to destroy Iran, then why are they so directed with every strike? They don't indiscriminately fire into civilians. However, Iran and it's proxies mostly fire towards civilian populations not at strategic targets. Their goal is to terrorize. It's rather stupid of them to go with this approach when dealing with a much smarter government.
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OTOH... I vehemently detested the Biden admin... but I would not have liked another country, uh, 'liberating' us from said admin on our soil. Turmoil is awful.
Israel isn't striking Iranian leadership to help the people of Iran. They are doing it because Iranian leadership is a threat to Israel. If the people of Iran were allowed to have legitimate elections, Iran wouldn't have received directed missile attacks yesterday.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:53 am to BugAC
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Israel isn't striking Iranian leadership to help the people of Iran. They are doing it because Iranian leadership is a threat to Israel.
Good point
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:54 am to Metaloctopus
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No, people keep giving you historical facts, and references to personal accounts from those who fled that regime, and you refuse to acknowledge it, instead punting every answer away as "media narrative". YOU have decided that every answer is just parroting of media narratives.
Its certainly possible that ive missed some posts...but the ONLY historical facts ive seen in this thread(not by me) is reference to the hostage crisis and reference to some media clips of some Iranian politicians saying hateful/violent things about America.
Repeating what the media tells us is not evidence.
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Buddy, I do not care if you think they or good or bad. I am only speaking about your insistence that the narrative is false based on nothing but that you just think it is. You start out asking a question, and then proceed to declare that we are being misled.
Theres far more evidence that our media lies than there is any of the claims about Iran ive seen. I shouldnt even have to list the evidence, id be here all day.
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You aren't going to get me to defend any Muslim country in their treatment of anyone, but you keep claiming that Saudi Arabia is worse than Iran, yet there isn't really anything to back that up. Neither country is kind to Christians, both prohibit conversion to Christianity, but the Iranian government is more aggressive is their actions to persecute (and execute) Christians, raid churches, or impose some other type of punishment. Christian churches do not exist in Iran by the grace of their goverment. They exist in secret, until such time as they are found and punished.
You are 100% wrong on this. I can easily prove it, and still your stance wont budge one bit. This is programming at its finest.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:54 am to Spaniard
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I believe the same people that always benefit from people getting slaughtered in that region will benefit again. BP and Shell.
Oh jesus, more dumb talking points.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:57 am to VOR
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In the 80’s I sat across the table from Iranian government representatives to negotiate a settlement of claims in The Hague after the hostage crisis. They aren’t the most reliable or rational counterparts to deal with. They have an agenda, and it’s not good for Western Civilization..
I believe this. We are talking decades ago. This can be said for more countries than just Iran. They would say the same about us
Posted on 6/13/25 at 9:00 am to SallysHuman
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For the time being... isn't Israel being rather precise in their operations? I don't think they're going after the Persian on the street.
Iran doesnt have American weaponry that is capable of anything close to what Israel can do. When was the last time Iran sent missiles towards Israel...without Israel having struck them first?
Posted on 6/13/25 at 9:04 am to scottydoesntknow
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When was the last time Iran sent missiles towards Israel...without Israel having struck them first?
wiki says
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In September 2024, a major escalation took place in the Hezbollah–Israel conflict that started after the Iranian-backed group initiated attacks against Israel on 8 October 2023, a day after Hamas's 7 October attack on Israel.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 9:04 am to scottydoesntknow
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Again, im not defending this. This was evil. That was also half a century ago. Americans can now travel to Iran without being held hostage. Things have obviously changed some
You say all this yet I guarantee you clutch your pearls over the USS Liberty incident
Posted on 6/13/25 at 9:06 am to scottydoesntknow
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and reference to some media clips of some Iranian politicians saying hateful/violent things about America.
That "politician" is Ayatollah Khomeini
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Theres far more evidence that our media lies than there is any of the claims about Iran ive seen.
But at what point do you just ignore logic and reason because your mind is made up that regardless of the source, it's all lies? I encourage challenging the source, but within the source, are actual quotes from the Iranian government, from the Iranian dictator, from the Iranian Generals stating, with their own mouths, they want to wipe out Israel. Just 2 days ago, Iranians generals were threatening America. This was during the Trump Iran nuclear negotiations. In your case, skepticism is now conspiracy, and it's devoid of logic or reason.
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You are 100% wrong on this. I can easily prove it, and still your stance wont budge one bit. This is programming at its finest.
I'd like to see this.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 9:09 am to scottydoesntknow
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Iran doesnt have American weaponry that is capable of anything close to what Israel can do.
They have Russian weaponry.
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In what appears to be another sign of the tightening of relations between Iran and Russia, a senior Iranian military official reportedly confirmed that Tehran has completed the purchase of Russian Sukhoi SU-35 fighter jets.
Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Gen. Ali Shadmani was quoted by an Iranian news outlet as highlighting the deal, according to Reuters and Russia’s TASS news agency.
“Whenever necessary, we make military purchases to strengthen our air, land, and naval forces. … The production of military equipment has also accelerated,” Shahdamani said, according to Reuters, though he did not say how many jets had been purchased or for how much.
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But should the planes enter Iran’s service, Ben Taleblu said they would significantly enhance Iranian territorial defense, particularly after the regime’s long-range air defenses, “which were also Russian provided, were damaged or destroyed by Israeli airstrikes last year.”
Iran currently operates a number of Russian warplanes including Su-24 MK and Mig-29 A and outdated US-built fighter jets including the F-4 and F-5E. The SU-35, introduced in 2014, is a singleseat “primarily air superiority fighter, but with [a] secondary air-to-ground capability,” according to a US Army database.
The purchase will make the Islamic Republic more of a hybrid warfighter in the Middle East, posing “an additional layer of challenges for those seeking to land an uncontested blow against the regime’s nuclear or military infrastructure.”
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When was the last time Iran sent missiles towards Israel...without Israel having struck them first?
Are you arguing a country can only defend itself if physically attacked first? That's pretty stupid of any country that adheres to that.
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Posted on 6/13/25 at 9:10 am to BugAC
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They have Russian weaponry.
And incompetent pilots.
Those aircraft are worthless in their hands.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 9:15 am to scottydoesntknow
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does this board really 100% believe the narrative we are told
not speaking for anyone else, but hell no, I don't believe what we are told about any conflict.
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