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re: Iran and the narrative

Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:01 am to
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
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Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:01 am to
Timing is curious. I remember this ‘imminent Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities ‘ talk since Obama‘s first and then second terms.

Who can forget John McCain & his “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran ” parody of The Beach Boys song?

This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 8:02 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56883 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:02 am to
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Im curious, does this board really 100% believe the narrative we are told about Iran?


100%, no. However, when Iran, since 1979 has been shouting about the death of Israel and wanting to wipe them off the map. When they're proxies are launching missles into israel and murdering israel's citizens, it makes one start to believe Iran that what they actually said may be what they intend to do. I mean, if a murderer said, "i'm going to murder your family", would you take them seriously?

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So im just supposed to blindly believe what more than likely is Israel's one sided narrative about Iran?


Here's the thing. Israel is NOT the aggressor, historically. They have never proclaimed "death to Iran". They have never preached about the extermination of the Muslim people. They are surrounded by enemies. And, Iran, USED TO BE a normal peaceful country. Then the revolution of 79 happened and it devolved into a muslim extremist breeding ground.

2) It's pretty widely accpeted that Iran has been developing nukes. Trump was negotiating last week with Iran to get them to stop their uranium enrichment program. They told Trump they will not stop, and they will accelerate. What is Israel supposed to do? Let themselves be annihilated?

Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8240 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:03 am to
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What a simpleton response



Curiosity and skepticism are considered heretical by some here.

Rather than engage with your questions, they invent things about you that they can attack. PoliBoard mixture of straw man and ad homien. Gets tedious after a while.

OTOH, it's worth wading through the simpletons to consider questions such as yours. Good post.
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 8:05 am
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
22097 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:04 am to
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Yet, Iran has a practicing Jewish population...why dont they round them up and kill them?






Yes, there are less than 10,000 Jews living in a country of over 90 million. I suppose that means the regime is friend, not foe

Feel free to research how that number changed over the course of the 20th century.


Now do the number of Muslims and Christians living in Israel versus the total population
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9935 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:04 am to
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Saddam


Apples and oranges. Saddam wasn’t a Muslim fundamentalist he was barely a Muslim by all accounts.

It wasn’t the toppling of Saddam that caused the problems in Iraq it was our fumbling afterward.


We know this now....but this was not what we were told then. I remember
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2472 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:05 am to
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Traveled extensively throughout the Middle East, have you?





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From the River to the Sea!!! Amirite


Is that public boast of Israel a lie? Or stated goal?

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Netanyahu’s speech last night about the conflict being with a regressive dictatorship


Irony right there. That guy is a liar.

Bibi is a war criminal and Israel indiscriminately destroys its neighbors.

The leaders of the Islamic Republic are oppressive and insane.

Here's a deep historical fact: Today's Persians (Iran) and Babylonians (Israel) have always been COUSINS.
Posted by BawtHouse
Member since Dec 2021
437 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:06 am to
You are living up to your name quite well. The vast majority of Iranians are progressive and more western thinking. The ruling class, however, are extremist. The ruling class and government are built on a foundational mandate that Israel(and the West) must be destroyed. It’s not a hidden truth. They have been attacking Israel nonstop for a very long time through many proxies. Don’t be ignorant. Do a modicum of research.

There has been a serious fear by the ruling class of civil war within Iran due to the gross difference in beliefs between the vast majority of the people and the ruling class. It’s why they control the masses with horrific punishments.

Make no mistake about it. Those in power in Iran wish nothing more than to erase Israel(and then America) from the map and true genocide of both Israelis and us.
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
30330 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:06 am to
Dude you are out of your element obviously and don't know a single thing of what you're talking about. You're just trying to score some cheap points on a board with no facts. Please, don't reply to anymore of my comments. Thanks.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9935 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:06 am to
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Yet, Iran has a practicing Jewish population...why dont they round them up and kill them?






Yes, there are less than 10,000 Jews living in a country of over 90 million. I suppose that means the regime is friend, not foe

Feel free to research how that number changed over the course of the 20th century.


Now do the number of Muslims and Christians living in Israel versus the total population


So we are now in agreement that the narrative that their goal to eliminate all Jews is not true....One false narrative down
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
22097 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:06 am to
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According to Jewish run mass media




Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9935 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:07 am to
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Dude you are out of your element obviously and don't know a single thing of what you're talking about. You're just trying to score some cheap points on a board with no facts. Please, don't reply to anymore of my comments. Thanks.


Youve already proven you are a simpleton that is led around like a sheep by every media narrative. You arent worth a response
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
13748 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:08 am to
Wise of you to question what the media spews.

However, with regards to Iran... they speak well for themselves what their passion and intentions are for.

Sometimes the "bad guys" really are the bad guys.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56883 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:09 am to
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I remember this ‘imminent Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities ‘ talk since Obama‘s first and then second terms.



I understand not trusting the media and our government, but do we also ignore the actual words coming from Iranian leaders?

LINK

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Iran Issues Its Own Warnings
Iran continues to say its nuclear activities are focused on peaceful purposes such as energy production. However, Defense Minister General Aziz Nasirzadeh issued a pointed threat, warning that Iranian forces would target U.S. bases across the region if hostilities begin. "If a conflict is imposed on us... all U.S. bases are within our reach," he said.


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Iran Defense Minister General Aziz Nasirzadeh: "All U.S. bases are within our reach and we will boldly target them in host countries."


At some point, if a country says they are going to attack you, you may want to believe them?

LINK

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Last week, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei dismissed the U.S. proposal as against Iran’s interests, pledging to continue enrichment on Iranian soil, which Western powers view as a potential pathway to building nuclear weapons. Iran says its nuclear program is only for peaceful purposes.


LINK

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The president said another planned wave of attacks against Iran will be "even more brutal" and called on the Iranians to make a deal and "save what was once known as the Iranian Empire".
"JUST DO IT, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE," Trump wrote.


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Trump posted again on Truth Social and stressed that two months ago he gave Iran a 60 day ultimatum to make a deal. "Today is day 61. Now they have, perhaps, a second chance!" he wrote.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
22097 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:09 am to
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scottydoesntknow



A more appropriate username, I’ve never seen.


Enjoy your trolling, just happened upon a lovely YouTuber frolicking through Tehran


Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2472 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:10 am to
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Rather than engage with your questions, they invent things about you that they can attack. PoliBoard mixture of straw man and ad homien. Gets tedious after a while.


Exactly.

Some posters are so programmed to buy 100% into ongoing narratives without consideration that questioning what's claimed critically isn't even an after-thought.

(and yes, then the ad hominems become a poor substitute for debate.)
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8240 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:10 am to
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Amir and his family pretty much confirmed what we have been told about Iran by our government and media since the early 1980s, so I have no concern that we have been misled by our government or media regarding that nation.


This is the kind of real world experience that I appreciate on the Board. Thanks for posting.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78041 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:14 am to
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and Israel indiscriminately destroys its neighbors
Did you really mean "indiscriminately" and "destroy" or are you emotionally up in arms and being a drama queen?
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2472 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:14 am to
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Sometimes the "bad guys" really are the bad guys.


Of course.

Then again, who are NOT the "bad guys"?

Do gubmints ever truly represent The Consent of People anywhere?

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56883 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:14 am to
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There has been a serious fear by the ruling class of civil war within Iran due to the gross difference in beliefs between the vast majority of the people and the ruling class. It’s why they control the masses with horrific punishments.

Make no mistake about it. Those in power in Iran wish nothing more than to erase Israel(and then America) from the map and true genocide of both Israelis and us.


This. If Iran was as open and peaceful and free as other posters are claiming, they wouldn't rig elections and imprison or kill protestors. Iran is not traditionally extremist. 1979 is not that long ago, so a large portion of their population lived in relative freedom. Strict adherence to muslim law is relatively new in that country and isn't really accepted by the populace. However, when a dictator takes over, expect totalitarianism.

If, the iranian elections were legitimate, Iran wouldn't be bombed. Iran wouldn't be trying to acquire nukes. Iran wouldn't be at war with Israel. The ME would be relatively peaceful. However, the Ayatollah and his extremists are the true power brokers in that country. Their new president was hand picked by khomeini.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9935 posts
Posted on 6/13/25 at 8:15 am to
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You are living up to your name quite well.


Well my name isnt Scotty, its a song from the 00s that was featured in the movie Eurotrip...but since it wasnt a shitty rap or bro country song...nobody here knows it.

You are right though...I dont know what Iran's real intentions are. Media narratives arent facts. Everyone giving "evidence" is just repeating media narratives. Im always going to be highly suspicious of those who are making a pitch for war. Sorry, not sorry that I dont blindly accept every media narrative.
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