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re: Interesting take on Louisiana and poverty
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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concepts like privilege ensure it stays that way
From a psychological standpoint, you’re probably right. Some kids probably get the message that advancement is futile, so why try.
But the more direct consequences of poverty, for example, losing your job because your ride’s car broke down, are probably more of a static influence than the less tangible deterrent of the “privilege concept”.
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Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:39 am to victoire sécurisé
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What if that money is spent on pouring concrete for a loop around BR?
What if they had a shuttle to the moon? Both of these will happen at the same time.
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Would that money be better for LA than the trickle-down from Exxon shareholder’s increased spending?
Increased spending = increased tax taking for the government, at least it is more voluntary and all have the same rate.
Louisiana has some of the worst schools, worst roads, worst crime, and worst government. Why would you trust them with more taxes?
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:39 am to victoire sécurisé
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In 1940, there was less than 18% chance that a bottom “50%-er” would become a “top-25%-er”. It was steadily declined over the past 80 years.
the website linked states
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90% of children born in 1940 grew up to earn more than their parents. Today, only half of all children earn more than their parents did.
1940 is total bait. if you want to look at the literal most outlier time period in possibly the history of the modern world, you start at 1940
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:41 am to victoire sécurisé
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From a psychological standpoint, you’re probably right. Some kids probably get the message that advancement is futile, so why try.
no that's not it. if you allow pathological cultures to take root within a population, but then restrict criticism of the output of that pathology (and instead criticize non-pathological cultures with words like "privilege"), how will the population who doesn't know better ever develop?
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:42 am to SantaFe
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Education is the key to raise people out of poverty, not handouts
The problem is that education is geared to giving kids a chance at college. College is worthless for kids with low IQs. At the HS level low phase kids should be learning non college skills that will earn them a good living in a trade that's in demand.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:43 am to victoire sécurisé
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But the more direct consequences of poverty, for example, losing your job because your ride’s car broke down, are probably more of a static influence than the less tangible deterrent of the “privilege concept”.
I doubt you will find many people who got fired for their car breaking down once and calling in that day or letting their employer know they will be late. I'm sure it was many other decisions adding up to being let go.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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look at the Rust Belt to see what happens to tax policy when industries leave
The Rust Belt lost industry for many reasons. High taxation might be one of them. But should companies be exempt from local taxes?
Industrial facilities destroy the property value within miles of it. The extra people and jobs put more burden on local government services. Should local residents welcome them and their burdens with open arms? Without expecting any tax revenue?
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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1940 is total bait.
The claim YA made is the historically, US citizens have been mostly economically mobile. Pick any point in the past 80 years and tell me when that has been the case.
Tell me any point in the past 80 years where we have made improvement in economic mobility.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:49 am to SantaFe
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Education is the key to raise people out of poverty
Or just a good work ethic. My company promotes at least 90% from within and no college education is required for entry level positions. Even at my last company, there were as many people without degrees as there were college graduates.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:50 am to victoire sécurisé
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The Rust Belt lost industry for many reasons. High taxation might be one of them
i didn't say that taxation is why they left. i'm saying that your mockery of "Trickle down economics" ignores how it actually increases taxation within the geographical area (compared to no industry being present)
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But should companies be exempt from local taxes?
that sounds like a decision the applicable government has to make. the policy will vary by location, needs, industry, etc.
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Industrial facilities destroy the property value within miles of it. The extra people and jobs put more burden on local government services. Should local residents welcome them and their burdens with open arms?
i'm sure they want jobs
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Without expecting any tax revenue?
the people who get jobs produce this
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:51 am to victoire sécurisé
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The claim YA made is the historically, US citizens have been mostly economically mobile. Pick any point in the past 80 years and tell me when that has been the case.
why are we picking a time in the WW2 and post-WW2 era?
again, COMPLETE outlier. that's NEVER going to happen again without another war that destroys every other developed nation in competition with the US WHO THEN HAS US REBUILD THEIR COUNTRIES
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:52 am to Y.A. Tittle
I know plenty of educated poor people.They might Iive in nice houses,drive nice cars but have 0 or even negative net worth.In my opinion,that’s poor.
I don’t understand how people can graduate college and be so financially dumb.I have a bil,MIT grad hasn’t got pot to piss in,retired on SS only.Have a cousin ,degree from ULL,68 y.o. never worked enough on the books to qualify for SS.It’s rampant in my family,my dad,fil ,cousins with college degrees and never accumulated anything.I know several Drs.went bankrupt.Makes me crazy to think about it.
All I have is AD,but I lived below my means,learned investing on my own and am doing well.I’m almost 69,retired at 60 and am waiting until 70 to draw SS because I don’t need it.
I don’t understand how people can graduate college and be so financially dumb.I have a bil,MIT grad hasn’t got pot to piss in,retired on SS only.Have a cousin ,degree from ULL,68 y.o. never worked enough on the books to qualify for SS.It’s rampant in my family,my dad,fil ,cousins with college degrees and never accumulated anything.I know several Drs.went bankrupt.Makes me crazy to think about it.
All I have is AD,but I lived below my means,learned investing on my own and am doing well.I’m almost 69,retired at 60 and am waiting until 70 to draw SS because I don’t need it.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:52 am to Zach
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At the HS level low phase kids should be learning non college skills that will earn them a good living in a trade that's in demand.
This is a major downfall of the HS education system. When I went you could choose between shop classes, Home Ec, Bookkeeping, and 2 others I cannot think of anymore. For the most part, schools have gotten away from that (at least in the greater New Orleans area). This needs to make its way back to all HSs.
HSs also should make a larger push to get the students to consider Associate Degrees and/or trade schools before they try to push the traditional Bachelor's Degree. It will be less expensive, and most of the jobs these kids will nd up doing do not require a 4 year degree.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:56 am to LSUA 75
This is a good point. My company does everything we can to push the save early narrative. I believe our average age at the company is around 35, and we have 90% of our under 30 workforce already contributing to their 401(k). We are a small shop (under 50), and I do not know if this is reflective of the rest of the area, but it does give you a little hope that some people will be able to break the cycle.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:57 am to SantaFe
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Together BR video, brainwashing liberal propaganda. Education is the key to raise people out of poverty, not handouts or midnight basketball. But here is the hook: people have to WANT a good education and value it.
I would also add that in most cases parents have to be committed to putting in the work to instill the values into their kids.
Its a long game and where many (if not most...) get lost..
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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why are we picking a time in the WW2 and post-WW2 era?
Are you saying that people are more likely today to traverse the economic status that they were born into because the last 80 years is an outlier? This makes no sense.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
I agree with what you all are saying about poor people. For me this is not the question or conversation I was hoping for. In the video there is a comparison of two plants of approximately equal size. One in baton rouge the other outside of Houston. These two plants paid radically different local taxes. This is the point of my question. Is this the most prudent way to do it. Since we are the ONLY state to do it with a state level board.
I am assuming that the employees of the Texas plant also add to the local economy in Texas, so a Louisiana worker doing the same is no justification for removing local taxes forever.
I am assuming that the employees of the Texas plant also add to the local economy in Texas, so a Louisiana worker doing the same is no justification for removing local taxes forever.
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 10:01 am
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:01 am to victoire sécurisé
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The claim YA made is the historically, US citizens have been mostly economically mobile.
Nope, I simply said this is not correct, historically speaking.
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Mostly, people tend to stay in the same economic group they were born into.
It's not, and the article you cited mostly bears that out - even ignoring the "outlier" 1940 issue.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:03 am to bhbxray
You’re not getting the discussion you were hoping for because, from my observations on this board, most here think the proposition starts with a flawed premise: that there is any level of taxation that is acceptable.
Taxation is bad and distributes wealth to people who haven’t earned it. Period. Most on this board will not entertain any other argument. You might as well argue about God and the origins of mankind.
Taxation is bad and distributes wealth to people who haven’t earned it. Period. Most on this board will not entertain any other argument. You might as well argue about God and the origins of mankind.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 10:03 am to victoire sécurisé
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Are you saying that people are more likely today to traverse the economic status that they were born into because the last 80 years is an outlier? This makes no sense.
i'm saying the generation of people born in 1940 got to enjoy one of the most outlier economic opportunities in human history
the ENTIRE developed world was destroyed, except for us. of course when that outlier event decreases in impact, we will see an economic change
and the problems with our current economy (that 1940 didn't experience in nearly the same numbers) is our underclass. that underclass skews ALL of the national data for the US. they are why our country seems so violent. they are why our country seems so unhealthy. they are why our country seems to uneducated. they are why such a large portion of our country doesn't advance economically.
the problem with LA is that we have a top 3 underclass population without our state. only MS and Bama can compete
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