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re: Interesting how climate change isn't going to kill us now that AI data centers need power
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:28 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:28 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Feeling very Matrixy all of a sudden. Hmm.
Dude... I was just thinking the same thing. This AI shite creeps me the frick out.
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Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:39 am to stout
The people who made the decision that climate change was a hoax are the 70 something million who elected Donald Trump, and we didn’t do it because of data centers.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:42 am to stout
Actually, it's pretty simple. Most Big Government, Big Business, and Global Social initiatives have one goal: more control. It's simply become clear that it will be more easily accomplished through AI, Big Data, etc, than by an energy rationing program.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:43 am to Honkus
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Gates 180 on Climate change is something else. Crowder nailed it yesterday
"There aren't enough digital paper clips in the world, you bitch."
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:43 am to stout
Just like that, climate change isn't going to end us, so now it's OK to build those darn climate-polluting power plants again! Yay!
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Very astute!
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Very astute!
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:49 am to Bard
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Here's a fun caveat to that: sulfur hexaflouride.
Sulfur hexaflouride is a man-made gas used primarily in electrical switchgear (high-voltage circuit breakers, gas-insulated substations - suppresses electrical arcs), magnesium casting (to prevent the oxidization of molten magnesium) and semiconductor manufacturing (plasma etching and chamber cleaning). The vast majority of leakage into the atmosphere comes from electrical gear (and most of that is from the decomposition of disposed equipment).
Per molecule, it's by far the most potent at trapping heat (trapping ~30k times as much heat per molecule more than CO2), has an atmospheric lifetime of ~3,200 years and a half-life of ~1,000 years.
So as we push towards the "green" of more electricity, we're also exponentially creating more of a gas which is degrees worse for potential atmospheric warming than the evil CO2 (which plants need, but that's a different anti-AGW rant).
SF6 is more dense though so it's likely to collect near the ground...
That said there are leaks and some does get into the atmosphere. The EPA has some guidance on the issue that they published in 99
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I was doing some design build work for GE Vernova about a year ago and we had to install SF6 leak detection systems in their GIS buildings.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:52 am to stout
I’d like someone to explain why we need all of this AI infrastructure all of a sudden.
What value does it bring?
Apple AI is garbage and I have it turned off. I saw an AI video earlier of a dog being a chiropractor which made me chuckle but other than that what does the average person get from AI?
What value does it bring?
Apple AI is garbage and I have it turned off. I saw an AI video earlier of a dog being a chiropractor which made me chuckle but other than that what does the average person get from AI?
Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:53 am to idlewatcher
I have acquaintances who's business is large diesel power generation and man they are in mass panic because they just can't build 4+ MW standby generators fast enough.
Also, some of these data centers are running entirely on diesel power because the cost of downtime from purchase power interruption offsets the cost of building and operating an entirely diesel power plant. That is insane. Why isn't Al Gore throwing a fit about this? Or the bazillion acres of green space being converted to solar farms? Or any of the other pet projects that are raping mother earth?
Also, some of these data centers are running entirely on diesel power because the cost of downtime from purchase power interruption offsets the cost of building and operating an entirely diesel power plant. That is insane. Why isn't Al Gore throwing a fit about this? Or the bazillion acres of green space being converted to solar farms? Or any of the other pet projects that are raping mother earth?
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Posted on 10/30/25 at 9:53 am to Powerman
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SF6 is more dense though so it's likely to collect near the ground...
Doesn't that still trap heat?
Posted on 10/30/25 at 11:11 am to Azkiger
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Doesn't that still trap heat?
Yes, but it's still so rare that it's ranked in PPT (parts per trillion). It disperses pretty evenly, is currently about 10ppt and grows at around .3-.4ppt per year. If my reading and math are correct, it won't be causing a problem (defined as raising temperatures 1 degree F) until it gets to the 1ppb (parts per billion) range. Growing linearly, that would be about 2,470 years.
There are ways to decompose it faster but it's energy intensive since it's inert and extremely stable.
My point was that the primary solution the AGW crowd is pushing to combat atmospheric CO2 (ie: a more electric society) uses something that's far more damaging than CO2 and is not part of the Carbon Cycle which our entire ecological system is based on (like CO2 is).
Posted on 10/30/25 at 11:12 am to stout
Time to start mining coal again. Solar panels and windmills ain’t going to cut it.
Posted on 10/30/25 at 11:18 am to stout
It took 20 years and Trillions of money flushed down the fricking toilet when that money could have been used for our country's infrastructure, etc - It's insane
Posted on 10/30/25 at 11:20 am to stout
The ultimate irony in this is AI will probably kill us
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