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re: Interesting facts about slavery I'll bet you didn't know.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:06 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:06 am to AggieHank86
quote:More demon than angel. But assertions that Sanger was motivated by some pied-piper desire to lead all Black births to genocide are silly.
Sanger was neither an angel nor a demon.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:07 am to AggieHank86
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look up Margret Sanger and her goals for society
Sanger was neither an angel nor a demon.
As to Blacks, her goal was to provide birth control and thereby (a) reduce family size and (b) preseve the health of Black women.
Was she ALSO motivated by the resulting reduction in Black poplation growth over time? Quite possibly. But is is difficult to believe that this was her sole (or even primary) motivation, given that she was offering the same services to women of ALL ethnicities.
Let's look at one of her causes...
quote:
Eugenics (/ju?'d??n?ks/; from Greek e??e??? eugenes'well-born' from e? eu, 'good, well' and ????? genos, 'race, stock, kin')[2][3] is a set of beliefs and practices that aim to improve the genetic quality of a human population by excluding (through a variety of morallycriticized means) certain genetic groups judged to be inferior, and promoting other genetic groups judged to be superior.[4][5] The definition of eugenics has been a matter of debate since the term was coined by Francis Galton in 1883. The concept predates the term; Plato suggested applying the principles of selective breeding to humans around 400 BCE.
Yea, she was a peach
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:08 am to MrCarton
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Ahh
quote:or conversely you can opt out at any point. Feel free.
What am I talking about regarding reparations?
or
Regarding black slaveholders?
or
Regarding white families who lost everything in opposing slavery?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:08 am to AggieHank86
quote:good point. the objective fact is that this misleading narrative has weaponized hate and demonized evil white people. there are countless young people brainwashed by this nonsense the left yells about reparations which is the dumbest idea ever.
Why not stick with objective fact, rather than lies and half-truths?
you did exactly when i said people on the left do - get lost in the details and miss the overall point. the unhelpful overgeneralization that comes from the word slavery.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:10 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
more demon than angel. But assertions that Sanger was motivated by some pied-piper desire to lead all Black births to genocide are silly.
She just wanted to selectively improve the human gene pool by removing inferior races....
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:13 am to VOR
quote:well, the evil white devils did of course. that's what's being parroted in schools. i know because i'm there every weekday
Regardless of who “owned” slaves
quote:1. it was more than "a few." have you ever heard of africa?
The fact that there were a few nonwhite slave owners doesn’t change much substantively
2. it does absolutely substantially change the situation. it sheds light on the cultural conditions of the time which are completely lost on people today. it has created modern day "reverse" racism; reparations, white privilege, etc
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:14 am to More&Les
Indeed. She was a eugenicist. Hence the demon.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:16 am to coachcrisp
It’s too early for this shite
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:17 am to VOR
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That’s all very interesting, but slavery still was an awful de-humanizing institution. Regardless of who “owned” slaves. The fact that there were a few nonwhite slave owners doesn’t change much substantively, tbh
NSS.
Who here is saying slavery wasn't and isn't an awful de-humanizing institution?
quote:
The fact that there were a few thousand nonwhite slave owners doesn’t change much substantively, tbh
FIFY
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:17 am to BBONDS25
quote:There is absolutely no evidence taht she had any such goal. You see the assertion from the same people who claim PP was doing abortions UNDER HER LEADERSHIP, when PP did not start performing them until long after her death.
Someone who wanted to eliminate the lack race from America isn’t a demon? Yeesh Hank.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:19 am to MrCarton
quote:by people, you mean the left. the right is mostly not responding to it. i see an occasional effort to correct the record. the left otoh, is so immersed in this issue, aoc is basing an entire political platform on this issue which further riles people up as if they needed that
people are so wound up over the whole issue
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:25 am to MrCarton
quote:this is simply not true. our entire education system and scientific apparatus is based on precisely the opposite of this idea.
Once you engage in the banter, it's over. They've won
i agree there are diplomatic ways to address these dynamics. for example, a group of lefties all worked up over reparations is probably not the best time to bring out this list. you'll be visiting the er in short order
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:27 am to Seldom Seen
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There's absolutely no reason for us to be discussing slavery in 2019. Don't let Democrats suck you into their game.
Which is said every time it rears it's head, and why we are having to talk about it in 2019
it's 2019, and i'm just now learning (not from this thread) there were free blacks in the south that owned blacked slaves. Kind of an important note that people that think like you have been able to hold out.
it's key we separate racism, and slavery this inning of the game the dems are sucking us into.
To the OP: Only thing I remember from TX history in 7th grade regarding slavery was the Ponce de Leons negro slave Esteban was the first in the Americas.
Maybe we should tell all the illegal immigrants that they will have to pay reparations for their Spanish ancestors doing africans wrong. See if that helps them go back.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:28 am to MrCarton
quote:explaining how stupid reparations are does in no way cede anything to anyone
ceding HUGE ground to their narrative
quote:we shouldn't engage the other side with facts? facts can't win? that's stupid. you plant the seed. let them do with it whatever they want
it's terrible to engage the other side like this, because it's not a topic we can win
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:31 am to BayouBlitz
quote:no. but it shows that it wasn't only white people who were doing these things (contrary to contemporary popular opinion) and it exposes the tyranny of the present that is infecting so many people these days. people just don't understand the historical context of the colonial world. i know because i talk to them almost every day. it's astounding what the education system has become. when you present facts that people don't like, they are trained to ad hominem
That makes it okay for white people to have boght slaves, owned slaves, beat them, rape them?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:34 am to AggieHank86
quote:this is called special pleading, aka shifting the goalposts
Not in the context of MOST Black slave owners in the 19th century
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:34 am to TOSOV
quote:Well, Esteban was Moroccan, so it is unlikely that he was a “negro.” Probably a Berber.
Only thing I remember from TX history in 7th grade regarding slavery was the Ponce de Leons negro slave Esteban was the first in the Americas.
Interesting how we automatically equate slavery in the Americas with “negros” from West Africa.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:35 am to AggieHank86
quote:There is strong evidence she supported eugenics.
There is absolutely no evidence taht she had any such goal.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:35 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Sanger was neither an angel nor a demon.
She was demonic. Period.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:37 am to coachcrisp
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coachcrisp
1. Gump
2. Apologist for slavery
Must be tough going through life with two strikes against you.
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