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re: Interesting facts about slavery I'll bet you didn't know.

Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:06 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:06 am to
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Sanger was neither an angel nor a demon.
More demon than angel. But assertions that Sanger was motivated by some pied-piper desire to lead all Black births to genocide are silly.
Posted by More&Les
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:07 am to
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look up Margret Sanger and her goals for society
Sanger was neither an angel nor a demon.

As to Blacks, her goal was to provide birth control and thereby (a) reduce family size and (b) preseve the health of Black women.

Was she ALSO motivated by the resulting reduction in Black poplation growth over time? Quite possibly. But is is difficult to believe that this was her sole (or even primary) motivation, given that she was offering the same services to women of ALL ethnicities.


Let's look at one of her causes...

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Eugenics (/ju?'d??n?ks/; from Greek e??e??? eugenes'well-born' from e? eu, 'good, well' and ????? genos, 'race, stock, kin')[2][3] is a set of beliefs and practices that aim to improve the genetic quality of a human population by excluding (through a variety of morallycriticized means) certain genetic groups judged to be inferior, and promoting other genetic groups judged to be superior.[4][5] The definition of eugenics has been a matter of debate since the term was coined by Francis Galton in 1883. The concept predates the term; Plato suggested applying the principles of selective breeding to humans around 400 BCE.


Yea, she was a peach
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:08 am to
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Ahh
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What am I talking about regarding reparations?
or
Regarding black slaveholders?
or
Regarding white families who lost everything in opposing slavery?
or conversely you can opt out at any point. Feel free.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:08 am to
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Why not stick with objective fact, rather than lies and half-truths?
good point. the objective fact is that this misleading narrative has weaponized hate and demonized evil white people. there are countless young people brainwashed by this nonsense the left yells about reparations which is the dumbest idea ever.

you did exactly when i said people on the left do - get lost in the details and miss the overall point. the unhelpful overgeneralization that comes from the word slavery.
Posted by More&Les
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:10 am to
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more demon than angel. But assertions that Sanger was motivated by some pied-piper desire to lead all Black births to genocide are silly.


She just wanted to selectively improve the human gene pool by removing inferior races....
Posted by bfniii
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:13 am to
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Regardless of who “owned” slaves
well, the evil white devils did of course. that's what's being parroted in schools. i know because i'm there every weekday

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The fact that there were a few nonwhite slave owners doesn’t change much substantively
1. it was more than "a few." have you ever heard of africa?
2. it does absolutely substantially change the situation. it sheds light on the cultural conditions of the time which are completely lost on people today. it has created modern day "reverse" racism; reparations, white privilege, etc
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:14 am to
Indeed. She was a eugenicist. Hence the demon.
Posted by TexasTiger24
Houston
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:16 am to
It’s too early for this shite
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:17 am to
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That’s all very interesting, but slavery still was an awful de-humanizing institution. Regardless of who “owned” slaves. The fact that there were a few nonwhite slave owners doesn’t change much substantively, tbh


NSS.

Who here is saying slavery wasn't and isn't an awful de-humanizing institution?

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The fact that there were a few thousand nonwhite slave owners doesn’t change much substantively, tbh


FIFY
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:17 am to
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Someone who wanted to eliminate the lack race from America isn’t a demon? Yeesh Hank.
There is absolutely no evidence taht she had any such goal. You see the assertion from the same people who claim PP was doing abortions UNDER HER LEADERSHIP, when PP did not start performing them until long after her death.
Posted by bfniii
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:19 am to
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people are so wound up over the whole issue
by people, you mean the left. the right is mostly not responding to it. i see an occasional effort to correct the record. the left otoh, is so immersed in this issue, aoc is basing an entire political platform on this issue which further riles people up as if they needed that
Posted by bfniii
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:25 am to
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Once you engage in the banter, it's over. They've won
this is simply not true. our entire education system and scientific apparatus is based on precisely the opposite of this idea.

i agree there are diplomatic ways to address these dynamics. for example, a group of lefties all worked up over reparations is probably not the best time to bring out this list. you'll be visiting the er in short order
Posted by TOSOV
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:27 am to
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There's absolutely no reason for us to be discussing slavery in 2019. Don't let Democrats suck you into their game.


Which is said every time it rears it's head, and why we are having to talk about it in 2019

it's 2019, and i'm just now learning (not from this thread) there were free blacks in the south that owned blacked slaves. Kind of an important note that people that think like you have been able to hold out.

it's key we separate racism, and slavery this inning of the game the dems are sucking us into.

To the OP: Only thing I remember from TX history in 7th grade regarding slavery was the Ponce de Leons negro slave Esteban was the first in the Americas.

Maybe we should tell all the illegal immigrants that they will have to pay reparations for their Spanish ancestors doing africans wrong. See if that helps them go back.
Posted by bfniii
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:28 am to
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ceding HUGE ground to their narrative
explaining how stupid reparations are does in no way cede anything to anyone

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it's terrible to engage the other side like this, because it's not a topic we can win
we shouldn't engage the other side with facts? facts can't win? that's stupid. you plant the seed. let them do with it whatever they want
Posted by bfniii
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:31 am to
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That makes it okay for white people to have boght slaves, owned slaves, beat them, rape them?
no. but it shows that it wasn't only white people who were doing these things (contrary to contemporary popular opinion) and it exposes the tyranny of the present that is infecting so many people these days. people just don't understand the historical context of the colonial world. i know because i talk to them almost every day. it's astounding what the education system has become. when you present facts that people don't like, they are trained to ad hominem
Posted by bfniii
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:34 am to
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Not in the context of MOST Black slave owners in the 19th century
this is called special pleading, aka shifting the goalposts
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:34 am to
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Only thing I remember from TX history in 7th grade regarding slavery was the Ponce de Leons negro slave Esteban was the first in the Americas.
Well, Esteban was Moroccan, so it is unlikely that he was a “negro.” Probably a Berber.

Interesting how we automatically equate slavery in the Americas with “negros” from West Africa.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:35 am to
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There is absolutely no evidence taht she had any such goal.
There is strong evidence she supported eugenics.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:35 am to
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Sanger was neither an angel nor a demon.


She was demonic. Period.
Posted by 995webmaster
New Orleans
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:37 am to
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coachcrisp


1. Gump
2. Apologist for slavery

Must be tough going through life with two strikes against you.
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