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re: In theory, would you be OK with only letting citizens vote if they filed their taxes?

Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:04 am to
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9078 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:04 am to
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Facts imply no animus.


The most common talking point spewed on this board. The mask occasionally slips but you haven't gone full mask off yet.

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It's fascinating to me how much lefties can't differentiate that.


I am not a "leftie", a neoliberal sure but not a leftist.

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Coming from the people who also want to tax the income I make on my property, it's really not.


Non sequitor. How dense are you to not understand that tenants fund the property taxes and mortgage payments in exchange for use of a property at a fixed price?

You seem so defensive about this. The cope posting is strong.

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Or change the law. I can do that too. How quickly you move from "Why do you hate those poor people who don't pay taxes." to "Give me, it's mine!"


I know we don't have universal healthcare yet but don't hurt yourself with that pivot. lmao.

You brought up how oppressed you are as a poor landlord. I was merely responding.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:04 am to
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No representation without taxation.

I think we've reached a new low in voter stupidity where we are now demanding taxes.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
19248 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:08 am to
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What about retirees?

Reading this thread this was my first thought. I believe if someone is only receiving social security, which they paid into their entire working career, they are not required to file taxes. DO they then lose their right to vote?

Also, what if you are on extension?
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:08 am to
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The mask occasionally slips but you haven't gone full mask off yet.

Speaking of slipping, adjust your tinfoil hat, buddy.
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I am not a "leftie"

Said every leftist since Wilson.
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Non sequitor. How dense are you to not understand that tenants fund the property taxes and mortgage payments in exchange for use of a property at a fixed price?

If renters are paying my taxes, there's no reason for me to pay my taxes and pay taxes on the money they paid me to pay my taxes. Just because you're dense doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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You brought up how oppressed you are as a poor landlord. I was merely responding.

I can certainly see your neoliberal bona fides in your clear support for private property rights and demeaning industry.
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2171 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:08 am to
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think we've reached a new low in voter stupidity where we are now demanding taxes.



It’s not demanding taxation… of course you know that, and are just choosing to be obtuse
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2171 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:11 am to
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What about my mom? She's always been a homemaker, never paid taxes. She doesn't get to vote in this system?


Your mom does pay taxes. Your parents file a joint tax return.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:12 am to
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It’s not demanding taxation… of course you know that, and are just choosing to be obtuse

Taxation without representation was just as much a complaint against taxes as it was the lack of representation. Because taxation is the government stealing from those who produce.
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9078 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:13 am to
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If renters are paying my taxes, there's no reason for me to pay my taxes and pay taxes on the money they paid me to pay my taxes. Just because you're dense doesn't mean I'm wrong.


You are being intentionally obtuse or you are just a moron; it is tough to tell.

I have never advocated for weaponizing or increasing taxation; in fact I said the opposite on many occasions.

I am not a brain dead moron like you and understand that taxation is needed to pay for common use things such as roads, utilities, police, etc.



Posted by SirJerTheBald
Member since Apr 2021
71 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:13 am to
I firmly believe that ONLY citizens should vote and the tax payer is the most important while felons should not vote while they are incarcerated or until their entire sentence has been carried through/satisfied.
Therefore voter ID is a must and the deportation of ALL Illegal Aliens be taken into reality...
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9078 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:15 am to
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Because taxation is the government stealing from those who produce.


And with this your takes on any topics can be summarily dismissed. You have shown yourself to be a complete moron.

The boomers on this board will eat it up though. lmao.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:16 am to
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And with this your takes on any topics can be summarily dismissed. You have shown yourself to be a complete moron.

I understand you're an idiot who doesn't have any further rebuttal. Run along.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
33917 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:17 am to
Yes. If you didn’t pay income tax last year you don’t get to vote this year.

Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
21973 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:19 am to
No. I would rather voters have to exhibit some level of understanding of the issues at hand before voting.

Property ownership and or taxes paid/filed shouldn't matter. My 81 year old father hasn't filed taxes in several years since he is retired and below the income threshold.

Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32195 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:19 am to
I wouldn't go that far.

But I would be COMPLETELY in favor of a requirement that only those who own property are allowed to vote on matters involving property taxes.
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2171 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:22 am to
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Taxation without representation was just as much a complaint against taxes as it was the lack of representation. Because taxation is the government stealing from those who produce.



I agree completely, but unfortunately that ship has sailed.

I believe that federal taxes should only pay for a narrow scope of items, military, interstate travel, and a few other minor programs. Everything else should be handled at the state and local level. That would give people the flexibility to decide what is important to them. Don’t want a bunch of government overreach? Move to Tennessee. Want to live in the nanny state? Move to New York. Would solve a lot of our problems
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
23984 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:24 am to
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I would be even more OK with only citizens voting who are net tax PAYERS.
This. People who pay no taxes just keep voting for whoever promises the most handouts. They don’t care if taxes will be raised or other services cut because they’re getting theirs without having to contribute anything. Politics has become a competition to offer the most freebies in many cases rather than offer good ideas.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
75761 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:25 am to
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Everyone, even renters indirectly via rents, pays for the property taxes.

Just because the landlord writes the check, his tenant funded that payment via rents.


Correct. It's baked into the rent.

You could argue that it's easier for a renter to move away, but they are getting hit.

It's also possible for a property owner to be a leech. Own a cheap trailer in the sticks...you can also have a surgeon renting an apartment in New York.
Posted by RobertFootball
SC
Member since Mar 2021
1337 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:26 am to
Show your taxes you paid, show proof of owning property, if you move from one state to another you can’t vote in any election for 8 years.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:26 am to
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I agree completely, but unfortunately that ship has sailed.

I believe that federal taxes should only pay for a narrow scope of items, military, interstate travel, and a few other minor programs.

The only reason those ideas are behind us is because we believe them to be and aren't teaching our children differently. The federal government is going to continue to grow until we put a stop to it. It has no reason to do so otherwise. Why do you think they have everyone fighting over Dr. Seuss books?
Posted by Yancy turnip
Somewhere
Member since Apr 2021
212 posts
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:27 am to
No what about people who are on disability I have just as much of a right to vote as you
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