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In 1959 Venezuelans on average were 10% richer than Americans
Posted on 3/9/19 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 3/9/19 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 3/9/19 at 4:32 pm to I B Freeman
quote:Seems to be a theme:
In 1959 Venezuelans on average were 10% richer than Americans
Posted on 3/9/19 at 4:39 pm to I B Freeman
What does this have to do with tariffs?
Posted on 3/9/19 at 4:50 pm to I B Freeman
Overeliance on oil
Fractured political system
=collapse
Fractured political system
=collapse
Posted on 3/9/19 at 5:04 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 3/9/19 at 5:54 pm to I B Freeman
quote:Success! they got rid of all the rich people. That is success for socialism.
In 1959 Venezuelans on average were 10% richer than Americans
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:12 pm to I B Freeman
I bet it was Bc of tariffs
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:20 pm to I B Freeman
Even as recently as the 90s, Venezuela was moderately prosperous. Socialism has a perfect record so far.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:30 pm to I B Freeman
OP gets shite on because of his tariff obsession, but he's consistent in opposing government intervention into the economy and Venezuela is a great example of the dangers of central economic planning.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:38 pm to CoachDon
quote:
Overeliance on oil
Fractured political system
=collapse
Lol no, it’s Socialism
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:55 pm to Strannix
You’re both right, assuming I understand what he means by fractured political system.
I assume he’s referring to the way the upper class took care of itself first, and did little to mollify the poor - which in turn created an opening for Chavez, and his brand of socialism.
I assume he’s referring to the way the upper class took care of itself first, and did little to mollify the poor - which in turn created an opening for Chavez, and his brand of socialism.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:58 pm to Strannix
quote:
no, it's Socialism
Socialism falls flat unless you have an adroit practitioner like Alex or Bernie to make it work.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 7:32 pm to tarzana
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Socialism falls flat
you had me with this, but quickly lost me with
quote:
unless
The old "just hasn't been done right" argument
Posted on 3/9/19 at 9:06 pm to tarzana
quote:FIFY.
Socialism falls flat unless you have enough rich people to steal from to make it work.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 9:38 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Venezuelan GDP per capita in 1960 was $1072.
US GDP per capita in 1960 was $3007
IB was talking about 1959 NC.....not 1960.....a lot can happen in one year.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 9:45 pm to I B Freeman
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Interesting facts that illustrate the decline that country has suffered.
Maybe so, but remember this, the Venezuelans did this to themselves. Chavez never made a secret about who he was....a stupid socialist, but he did not run as some sortof American democratic party type and then muscled in a socialist government. He went about Venezuela and said ....hey muchachos, I'm a socialist!!!!! Now let's go and get the rich people's money and nationalize the oil industry and put price controls in.....and the masses said Yeah!!!!!
If prior Venezuelan governments were not so damned corrupt and did not steal so much and neglect the people/masses Chavez probably is not so attractive in the late 1990's
Also, while Venezuela may have some of the largest if not the largest oil reserves in the world, it's something of a misnomer......it's also the most expensive to refine....it's the heavy stuff
Posted on 3/9/19 at 9:50 pm to KiwiHead
Why has Sean Penn chosen to stay in the shadows?
Posted on 3/9/19 at 9:52 pm to KiwiHead
It is simply a quote from the article. He has a reference to the claim. If it is wrong shoot him and email. I have already ask for a better link from him in comments.
Nevertheless the decline in the Venezuelan economy relative to the rest of the world is startling.
Nevertheless the decline in the Venezuelan economy relative to the rest of the world is startling.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 8:40 am to I B Freeman
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It is simply a quote from the article.
Here are some graphs to add to the thread:
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